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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:

I think Contador is lacking class (arguably we saw this back in the tour he rode with Lance, when he wouldn't respect team orders), and nothing I've seen since then has led me to change my view, especially what happened yesterday.

I'll lift my pink embargo for this sentence if you'd like.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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100% of bike racers think Contador was the awesome bike racer i the world yesterday.

Apparently some non bike racers think that class means "let the froomie win"

eganski wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

I think Contador is lacking class (arguably we saw this back in the tour he rode with Lance, when he wouldn't respect team orders), and nothing I've seen since then has led me to change my view, especially what happened yesterday.

I'll lift my pink embargo for this sentence if you'd like.



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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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You should try bike racing sometime. Get your cat 4 upgrade, try to get your cat 3 upgrade. Totally changes ones perspective on the sport as a fan.


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Froome is a pretty mild-mannered guy, but I think getting irked by Contador on that descent was justified.

Done plenty of bike racing, my descending skills could probably be described as 'well above average', and so my perspective is fine thanks. Nice blog analysis btw. Will be interesting to see what equipment choices they make today.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [scofflaw] [ In reply to ]
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In a sense the commentators and just like the riders. They do what they are told, or you can bet they'll be fired. My guess is that in their shoes, you'd either be toeing the company line or sitting their watching from the sidelines like the rest of us. Paul and Phil are pretty much doing as told when they do the broadcast. No tv execs want their commentary on the ugly side of cycling, they'd much rather take the high road or head in sand approach.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Hesjdal 7th on a TT cockpit S5.

Most riders so far are on road bikes or road bikes with clipons

Even seeing teams with aero road bikes, on the non aero road bike.

Hesjdal and Martin almost the same time, neat. Wonder if both, or either, were trying as hard as they could?



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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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my memory is failing me, but somewhere in the Lance years Ulrich went for some sprint time bonuses while on the way to the Champs. if he had got all of them he could have closed the lead.

i thought that was a bad*ss, never say die, do what you can effort. some people thought it was tacky.
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Not sure if this has been posted to the forum as of yet.....

Man v bike: which makes the difference? - video

http://www.guardian.co.uk/.../17/man-v-bike-video
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Text updates say Van Garderen changed his bike just before the 20 km mark... Did he switch to a TT bike or did he have a mechanical?
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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dsmallwood wrote:
my memory is failing me, but somewhere in the Lance years Ulrich went for some sprint time bonuses while on the way to the Champs. if he had got all of them he could have closed the lead.

i thought that was a bad*ss, never say die, do what you can effort. some people thought it was tacky.

I recall Vino trying to move to 5th held by Levi in 2005 on the last stage, he gained a few second on an intermediate sprint and ultimately managed to do it on the final sprint- there was some bad conditions/communication issues that some confusion on who ended up in 5th, but it was awarded to Vino at the time.

I don't recall this for Ullrich, however.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [nchristi] [ In reply to ]
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Text updates say Van Garderen changed his bike just before the 20 km mark... Did he switch to a TT bike or did he have a mechanical?

Switched to a TT bike....probably lost more time in the change than he will gain by the aero advantages. But he set the best time at the time check.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [nchristi] [ In reply to ]
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nchristi wrote:
Text updates say Van Garderen changed his bike just before the 20 km mark... Did he switch to a TT bike or did he have a mechanical?
Not sure, but he's currently got the fastest time and the rain in coming down on the second climb... Might be in with a chance...
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
dsmallwood wrote:
my memory is failing me, but somewhere in the Lance years Ulrich went for some sprint time bonuses while on the way to the Champs. if he had got all of them he could have closed the lead.

i thought that was a bad*ss, never say die, do what you can effort. some people thought it was tacky.


I recall Vino trying to move to 5th held by Levi in 2005 on the last stage, he gained a few second on an intermediate sprint and ultimately managed to do it on the final sprint- there was some bad conditions/communication issues that some confusion on who ended up in 5th, but it was awarded to Vino at the time.

I don't recall this for Ullrich, however.

Never happened with Ullrich....he was never close enough on time for it to have mattered, even in 2003.

Correct re: Vino, though. Don't remember the final GC position he was battling for, but 5th seems about right.

Time bonuses on the final stage of a GT = complete bullschitt. Wink

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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100% of bike racers think Contador was the awesome bike racer i the world yesterday.

Apparently some non bike racers think that class means "let the froomie win"

Decently good bike racer here with a decently smallish number on one of my licenses.

I thought the Saxo attack was cool until...

Contador rides over his abilities and crashes. Contador takes the Yellow jersey with him, or Froome also can't hang on and nearly decks it. At this point I'm giving props to Bert for trying and thinking Froome is whiney for saying Conta rode too hard. You shut up and follow or you back off. BUT when Albertador got mad at Quintana for continuing to ride? Oh hell no! If you aren't competent enough to stay on your bike you just need to shut up and take your licks. It's not like some outside influence crashed Contador. Alberto crashed himself, and became a whiney crybaby no better than Froome.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
jmh wrote:
dsmallwood wrote:
my memory is failing me, but somewhere in the Lance years Ulrich went for some sprint time bonuses while on the way to the Champs. if he had got all of them he could have closed the lead.

i thought that was a bad*ss, never say die, do what you can effort. some people thought it was tacky.


I recall Vino trying to move to 5th held by Levi in 2005 on the last stage, he gained a few second on an intermediate sprint and ultimately managed to do it on the final sprint- there was some bad conditions/communication issues that some confusion on who ended up in 5th, but it was awarded to Vino at the time.

I don't recall this for Ullrich, however.


Never happened with Ullrich....he was never close enough on time for it to have mattered, even in 2003.

Correct re: Vino, though. Don't remember the final GC position he was battling for, but 5th seems about right.

Time bonuses on the final stage of a GT = complete bullschitt. Wink

ah, very good. thank you.
personally, i've always thought time bonuses are gimmicky. but, if they're there, rules are rules ...

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [AaronT] [ In reply to ]
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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If the roads stay wet, Tejay may win this. Round tube bike with clip ons until the final descent, then TT bike.

Will contador go over a cliff today?



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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
nchristi wrote:
Text updates say Van Garderen changed his bike just before the 20 km mark... Did he switch to a TT bike or did he have a mechanical?


Switched to a TT bike....probably lost more time in the change than he will gain by the aero advantages. But he set the best time at the time check.

Someone needs to hire these guys:


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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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Bike has to be on car and car behind rider. the changes have been pretty quick. They probably lose less than 10 s and are ave 40mph on the final 12km stretch.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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How many bike switches have we seen today?


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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Switching bikes is pretty crap - if it's too heavy to be worth hauling up the hill yourself, then why is it legal to have a car haul it up the hill and then jump on it? While they're at that, why not put some lead weights in the frame, since it's a net downhill from where they do the switch?

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Jamaican] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like most of the late starters are on TT bikes at the end, not sure that any started on a TT bike. Probably 10-20 when all is done.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [AHare] [ In reply to ]
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Good idea! maybe they did!

AHare wrote:
While they're at that, why not put some lead weights in the frame, since it's a net downhill from where they do the switch?



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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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I wouldn't be surprised. You'd just have to do some math to make sure the increased rolling resistance was sufficiently offset.

Math!

For each additional kilogram:
Let's say Crr is 0.0033.
What you lose: Rolling resistance increases by 9.8*Crr = 0.032N. This means 32J of energy wasted per km.

What you gain: Each meter of altitude means your bonus kilo has 9.8J of energy in it. It's a 400m descent over 8km today, so an extra kilo would gain you 3920J total, or 490J per km of the downhill today.

To conclude: load it up! But still, it demonstrates how a heavier bike is not effectively different from a bike with a battery here, which is why I'm kinda weirded out that they're allowed doing a switch.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [AHare] [ In reply to ]
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Not allowing a bike swap is complicated, unless you want to kick people out of the tour for mechanicals.

Not practical to ensure that mechanicals actually happened or bikes or identical. So, you have to allow it really.



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