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Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall
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OK, it is settled.
https://townhall.com/...bal-warming-n2352326


I wonder if she thinks the scientific theory of gravity has any value, or the germ theory.
For some reason I think she will use science backed treatment if she gets cancer.



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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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All kinds of fail in that article.

On a related note I hiked to the top of mountain on Sunday and got to share it with a creationist "brain-washing" his young son and a group of teenagers (to their credit they seemed pretty much disinterested). It was creepy.

And I say that as someone who recognizes the metaphysical claims of Christians aren't up for debate so have at it if you want to, but some stuff you can call bullshit on.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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Which metaphysical claims of Christianity aren't up for debate?



ThisIsIt wrote:
And I say that as someone who recognizes the metaphysical claims of Christians aren't up for debate so have at it if you want to, but some stuff you can call bullshit on.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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MidwestRoadie wrote:
Which metaphysical claims of Christianity aren't up for debate?



ThisIsIt wrote:
And I say that as someone who recognizes the metaphysical claims of Christians aren't up for debate so have at it if you want to, but some stuff you can call bullshit on.

I would say the central ones, that Jesus was the son of God, came here to forgive sin, provide eternal life, etc. There's just no way to prove any of that one way or another.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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You seem quite pre-occupied by all this.

Life is full of froth and trouble, two things stand in stone
Kindness in another's troubles, courage in one's own
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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Got it. I first thought that you were referring to a belief that all Christians have the same belief about those central metaphysical tenants and refuse to debate about what they believe is an empirical truth...likely like the creationist guy on the mountain with you.

I wholeheartedly agree with you and that's coming from someone who identifies most closely with Christianity. Something that drives me insane about fundamentalist and mainline Christianity is the approach that the Bible and its contents must be taken as a sort of empirical truth, completely disregarding the deeper meanings of the text that were never intended to be taken that way...not to mention completely ignoring the fact that the text itself is deeply flawed and full of errors, even further ignoring the fact that we don't even have complete manuscripts of any of it and the manuscripts we have aren't in sync. Debating the "literal truth" of that text and belief system is really, in my opinion, the most basic and most boring approach to a topic of shared human experiences that should be deeply rich; it's an approach that makes it a juvenile religion.



ThisIsIt wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
Which metaphysical claims of Christianity aren't up for debate?

ThisIsIt wrote:
And I say that as someone who recognizes the metaphysical claims of Christians aren't up for debate so have at it if you want to, but some stuff you can call bullshit on.


I would say the central ones, that Jesus was the son of God, came here to forgive sin, provide eternal life, etc. There's just no way to prove any of that one way or another.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
You seem quite pre-occupied by all this.

Or I'm bored and it's interesting to talk about shit here with some people, especially Midwest.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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That is 3 minutes of my life that I will never get back. A multi-tiered troll fail by the author AND Halvard.
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Because I have all sorts of right and lefty friends, I find myself on both sides of religious issues all the time. Prob defending more often because so many of my lefty buddies are virulently anti-religions. Western religious anyhow. My righty, almost all of them dedicated church-goers, aren't pushy. That said, this Townhall article is really dumb. IMO it's really important, in today's polarized political and cultural environment, to be attracting potential converts from the middle. But this article just alienates all but the most religious. Bad call by the Townhall editors.

"If only he had used his genius for niceness, instead of Evil." M. Smart
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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I think Ravi Zacharias was very wise when he said "Never judge a philosophy, or religion, by it's abuse." I'm sure the woman means well but I don't agree with how she interpreted and applied the scriptures. Too many people either don't read their Bible or read the parts that give them warm fuzzies. If God exists primarily to make you happy and prosperous then why did so many of his apostles die horrible deaths and why did Jesus constantly warn people about the trouble and difficulty they would face?

As a Christian I'm not concerned about climate change at all. I don't see any viable solutions and as an individual their is very little I can do so baring a crazy technological break through what's going to happen is going to happen. We know the earth has been warmer and it has been colder and I question how much of an impact man has had on climate change.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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Do you also question the existence of litter in the same way?
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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Perseus wrote:
I question how much of an impact man has had on climate change.

You "question" this without any curiosity for the answer? There's been quite a lot of research, you know, and some pretty robust answers have emerged. I'm curious that you don't seem to agree with science denial driven by (bad) religion, but you are happy to deny the science based on "Meh, whatever, I "question" that."
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Bone Idol] [ In reply to ]
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Bone Idol wrote:
Perseus wrote:
I question how much of an impact man has had on climate change.


You "question" this without any curiosity for the answer? There's been quite a lot of research, you know, and some pretty robust answers have emerged. I'm curious that you don't seem to agree with science denial driven by (bad) religion, but you are happy to deny the science based on "Meh, whatever, I "question" that."

No, there has been a ton of research into the existence of global warming / climate change which has been observed. There has, on the other hand - only a fraction of research as to how much of the current trends are truly attributable to human activity vs natural occurrences. The assumption is that because humans have been producing more carbon for the last 2 centuries that there is a correlation between the rise in temperature & industrialized activity. One problem, this does violate the old sage - correlation does not necessarily indicate causation. Sharks kill more people when ice cream sales go up.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [racin_rusty] [ In reply to ]
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racin_rusty wrote:
Bone Idol wrote:
Perseus wrote:
I question how much of an impact man has had on climate change.


You "question" this without any curiosity for the answer? There's been quite a lot of research, you know, and some pretty robust answers have emerged. I'm curious that you don't seem to agree with science denial driven by (bad) religion, but you are happy to deny the science based on "Meh, whatever, I "question" that."


No, there has been a ton of research into the existence of global warming / climate change which has been observed. There has, on the other hand - only a fraction of research as to how much of the current trends are truly attributable to human activity vs natural occurrences. The assumption is that because humans have been producing more carbon for the last 2 centuries that there is a correlation between the rise in temperature & industrialized activity. One problem, this does violate the old sage - correlation does not necessarily indicate causation. Sharks kill more people when ice cream sales go up.

So let's say you're right that the "research" shows correlation but not causation. Are you arguing therefore we should assume the best and not bother trying to reduce CO2 emissions? "Let's just hope it's only correlation!" I guess in another 100 years the next generations will find out who was right, but we'll be dead by then so f#ck 'em.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [JacobB1111] [ In reply to ]
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JacobB1111 wrote:
Do you also question the existence of litter in the same way?

I think just dropping my trash wherever I happen to be actually has a lower carbon footprint than the efforts to transport it to a landfill.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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"God uses some divine sarcasm to school us that He alone, not man, commands the weather, from the snow and frost to the wind, rain and lightning."

That is some quality writing right there.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Tibbsy] [ In reply to ]
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Tibbsy wrote:
"God uses some divine sarcasm to school us that He alone, not man, commands the weather, from the snow and frost to the wind, rain and lightning."

That is some quality writing right there.

She's right! Lightning rods on churches are pure heresy!!
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [malte] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think a God uses sarcasm a lot. "Yeah. I warm the globe. Yeah sure. Uh huh."
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [racin_rusty] [ In reply to ]
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I'm just curious- but where do you get this completely wrong information? A great deal of climate science research is concerned with determining what portion of the increase in temperatures is natural vs. man-made.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [malte] [ In reply to ]
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malte wrote:
Tibbsy wrote:
"God uses some divine sarcasm to school us that He alone, not man, commands the weather, from the snow and frost to the wind, rain and lightning."

That is some quality writing right there.


She's right! Lightning rods on churches are pure heresy!!

So lava isn't really molten rock, it's god's fiery ejaculate! Wow, it all makes sense now!



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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a Christian and I believe that man is responsible for global warming and I see no conflict at all.

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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Your view makes perfect sense. God made the world for man and since man is wicked we would of course break it.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [Tibbsy] [ In reply to ]
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No offense intended, but that's a really simplistic interpretation of what Sanuk could mean. There are several things he could refer to beyond the tired old argument or belief system that "God is good, man is not, man therefore needs God otherwise man f's everything up, but God will eventually make it all right and serve justice against those that need it & rewards to those who've earned it."




Tibbsy wrote:
Your view makes perfect sense. God made the world for man and since man is wicked we would of course break it.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
Which metaphysical claims of Christianity aren't up for debate?



ThisIsIt wrote:
And I say that as someone who recognizes the metaphysical claims of Christians aren't up for debate so have at it if you want to, but some stuff you can call bullshit on.


I would say the central ones, that Jesus was the son of God, came here to forgive sin, provide eternal life, etc. There's just no way to prove any of that one way or another.


"One way or the other?" That's not how it works. Anyone claiming that "Jesus was the son of God, came here to forgive sin, provide eternal live, etc." has the burden of proof. And if you can't meet that burden, then there's a debate. Or perhaps you're right in that there isn't anything to debate, in that the failure to meet the burden of proof, or come anywhere close to meeting it, ends the debate.
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Re: Why Christians Can’t Believe in Man-Caused Global Warming, article from Townhall [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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That is the whole point of Christianity. The interpretations between religions can get complicated but Christianity is purely the idea that man is broken without God and need his interference and forgiveness.
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