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What's our beef with Venezuela?
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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they did exactly what turkey did. but we called them up turkey to congratulate them. with venezuela, we're going to invade them. i'm not quite sure what the difference is. maybe it's a monroe doctrine thing. you'll have to ask the president.


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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Probably they won't allow trump to build a hotel? The man is sick.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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tyrod1 wrote:
Probably they won't allow trump to build a hotel? The man is sick.

LOL!!
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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tigermilk wrote:

Well, they are a couple years ahead of us....

Can't let that slide.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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It's the same beef you had with Grenada...the President's poll numbers are low.

You're such a Trump ball washer! - Duffy - Feb 8, 17 13:18
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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its a country that sells U.S. a lot of oil and the current elected leader and the previous elected leader said a lot of bad things about the u.s., so that makes them the enemy, while the total dictatorship of oil sellers like saudis are our "allies" because they dont say anything bad about the u.s., except for obamas diplomacy with iran, if no one in venezuela made comments on the U.S., no one would care about them
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
they did exactly what turkey did. but we called them up turkey to congratulate them. with venezuela, we're going to invade them. i'm not quite sure what the difference is. maybe it's a monroe doctrine thing. you'll have to ask the president.

Its the Carter Doctrine, not Monroe Doctrine.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Slowman wrote:
they did exactly what turkey did. but we called them up turkey to congratulate them. with venezuela, we're going to invade them. i'm not quite sure what the difference is. maybe it's a monroe doctrine thing. you'll have to ask the president.

Its the Carter Doctrine, not Monroe Doctrine.

Near as I can tell, it's no doctrine anyone has ever heard of. The Monroe Doctrine was explicitly tied to European powers trying to make inroads in the Western Hemisphere. The Carter Doctrine is exclusively about using force to keep the Persian Gulf open and flowing with oil: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine

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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [spot] [ In reply to ]
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spot wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Slowman wrote:
they did exactly what turkey did. but we called them up turkey to congratulate them. with venezuela, we're going to invade them. i'm not quite sure what the difference is. maybe it's a monroe doctrine thing. you'll have to ask the president.


Its the Carter Doctrine, not Monroe Doctrine.


Near as I can tell, it's no doctrine anyone has ever heard of. The Monroe Doctrine was explicitly tied to European powers trying to make inroads in the Western Hemisphere. The Carter Doctrine is exclusively about using force to keep the Persian Gulf open and flowing with oil: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine

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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [spot] [ In reply to ]
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spot wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Slowman wrote:
they did exactly what turkey did. but we called them up turkey to congratulate them. with venezuela, we're going to invade them. i'm not quite sure what the difference is. maybe it's a monroe doctrine thing. you'll have to ask the president.

Its the Carter Doctrine, not Monroe Doctrine.

Near as I can tell, it's no doctrine anyone has ever heard of. The Monroe Doctrine was explicitly tied to European powers trying to make inroads in the Western Hemisphere. The Carter Doctrine is exclusively about using force to keep the Persian Gulf open and flowing with oil: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine

Yep, same principal applies though regardless of geography. Not saying this is the logic but it sure as hell isn't the Monroe doctrine.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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My gut instinct tells me that the US government (the 'deep state' at least,) would rather not see an oil rich, anti-US socialist country succeed and spread its wealth and influence across Latin America. In other words, imagine what Cuba (Castro) would have done with its wealth had it had Venezuela's oil. So, in order to prevent this from happening and 'punish' Venezuela's socialist leaders, a number of sanctions and other economic barriers are set into place to erode Venezuela's socialist political system and turn the economy upside down with the hopes that a more US friendly and capitalist government will take over at some point in the future.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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tyrod1 wrote:
Probably they won't allow trump to build a hotel? The man is sick.

I know it's fun right now to poke the President, but we labeled Venezuela a national security threat and started sanctions on that country during Press Obama's administration.

Slowguy

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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
tyrod1 wrote:
Probably they won't allow trump to build a hotel? The man is sick.


I know it's fun right now to poke the President, but we labeled Venezuela a national security threat and started sanctions on that country during Press Obama's administration.
To the point of military intervention? Lindsey Graham was on one of the Sunday shows, and his response summed it up

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A Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee is throwing cold water on President Donald Trump’s statement that he’s not ruling out a “military option” to help resolve the political crisis in Venezuela.

Here’s what South Carolina’s Lindsey Graham thinks: “I have no idea why we would use military force in Venezuela.”

Graham says he’s “a pretty hawkish guy” and knows why American troops are in places like Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, South Korea and Europe.

But Venezuela?

He says: “I’m open-minded to a reason, but at the end of the day, our military should be deployed when there’s a national security interest that can be articulated to the American people. I don’t see one in Venezuela in terms of the military force.”
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tri_kid] [ In reply to ]
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tri_kid wrote:
My gut instinct tells me that the US government (the 'deep state' at least,) would rather not see an oil rich, anti-US socialist country succeed and spread its wealth and influence across Latin America. In other words, imagine what Cuba (Castro) would have done with its wealth had it had Venezuela's oil. So, in order to prevent this from happening and 'punish' Venezuela's socialist leaders, a number of sanctions and other economic barriers are set into place to erode Venezuela's socialist political system and turn the economy upside down with the hopes that a more US friendly and capitalist government will take over at some point in the future.

Don't worry. There are plenty of examples of failed socialist policies across Latin America from the last couple of decades including Brazil and Argentina. Venezuela just represents the furthest drift towards socialism (and corruption) and the biggest failure of an economy as a result.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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Brown people with oil.

Disclaimer: the above statements are parody and meant for entertainment purposes only. No sane person would actually hold such views.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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To the point of military intervention?

No, but of course, I don't think anyone thinks Pres Trump really plans to use military intervention in Venezuela either.

Slowguy

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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tri_kid] [ In reply to ]
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tri_kid wrote:
My gut instinct tells me that the US government (the 'deep state' at least,) would rather not see an oil rich, anti-US socialist country succeed and spread its wealth and influence across Latin America. In other words, imagine what Cuba (Castro) would have done with its wealth had it had Venezuela's oil. So, in order to prevent this from happening and 'punish' Venezuela's socialist leaders, a number of sanctions and other economic barriers are set into place to erode Venezuela's socialist political system and turn the economy upside down with the hopes that a more US friendly and capitalist government will take over at some point in the future.

I can't tell if you're a troll or not
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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tri_kid wrote:
My gut instinct tells me that the US government (the 'deep state' at least,) would rather not see an oil rich, anti-US socialist country succeed and spread its wealth and influence across Latin America. In other words, imagine what Cuba (Castro) would have done with its wealth had it had Venezuela's oil. So, in order to prevent this from happening and 'punish' Venezuela's socialist leaders, a number of sanctions and other economic barriers are set into place to erode Venezuela's socialist political system and turn the economy upside down with the hopes that a more US friendly and capitalist government will take over at some point in the future.


I can't tell if you're a troll or not

A troll. That level of ignorance is the equivalent of being asked where North Korea is and then pointing to Canada.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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Our beef with Venezuela is that it has taken the inevitable last step of communism -- squalid dictatorship. Thanks to socialism/communism starvation is happening now. When Venezuela had more money and more pull, it actively sought to destabilize other latin american democracies.

The spread of starvation, dictatorship, and poverty (aka communism) in the southern hemisphere is not in our national interests.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [SH] [ In reply to ]
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The spread of starvation, dictatorship, and poverty (aka communism) in the southern hemisphere is not in our national interests.


So, given how places like Afghanistan and Iraq turned out, how would a military invasion in Venezuela serve your national interests?

You're such a Trump ball washer! - Duffy - Feb 8, 17 13:18
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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The man is still sick.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
The spread of starvation, dictatorship, and poverty (aka communism) in the southern hemisphere is not in our national interests.


So, given how places like Afghanistan and Iraq turned out, how would a military invasion in Venezuela serve your national interests?

Military intervention wasn't the question.

However, be careful with the strategy of always fighting the last war. Venezuela has pretty much zero in common with Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Re: What's our beef with Venezuela? [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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tyrod1 wrote:
The man is still sick.

Ok, whatever.

Slowguy

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