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BeachboyWI

Mar 15, 11 8:34

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http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

I have to say, these numbers are the opposite of what I expected to see.

Of the top 20 political donors most are solid democrat. At least 12 are Unions...and their total donations dwarf the corporations to republicans.

For all the talk about Koch Industries they actaully gave 10% of their donations to democrats...and were DWARFED by union donations.
Union donations were off the freaking charts when you compile that whole list.

Now I get why the Dems are so upset. That's a LOT of money!
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BeachboyWI

Mar 15, 11 8:51

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I tallied everything on a spreadsheet...

Total Donated: $2,180,149,543

To Democrats: $1,293,080,241 (59.31%)

To Republicans: $858,606,177 (39.38%)

And we're worried about the big bad corporations giving too much to the Republicans???

Am I missing something here? I am honestly shocked at these numbers. I consider myself a fiscal conservative (liberal on some social policies). But I really expected to see corporations donating big dollars to republicans...but most seem to donate to both parties. While Unions...primarily give to Dems.
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creek

Mar 15, 11 8:55

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [BeachboyWI] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

BeachboyWI wrote:
I tallied everything on a spreadsheet...

Total Donated: $2,180,149,543

To Democrats: $1,293,080,241 (59.31%)

To Republicans: $858,606,177 (39.38%)

And we're worried about the big bad corporations giving too much to the Republicans???

Am I missing something here? I am honestly shocked at these numbers. I consider myself a fiscal conservative (liberal on some social policies). But I really expected to see corporations donating big dollars to republicans...but most seem to donate to both parties. While Unions...primarily give to Dems.

And we wonder why our elected representatives act the way that they do? They are bought and paid for by unions.


QuadsofFURY

Mar 15, 11 9:06

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [creek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

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And we wonder why our elected representatives act the way that they do? They are bought and paid for by unions.

Which is why the Employee Free Choice Act just went sailing through Congress and is now law....


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ironmayb

Mar 15, 11 9:11

Post #5 of 30 (2010 views)
Re: Unions are BIG Business [BeachboyWI] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

BeachboyWI wrote:
I tallied everything on a spreadsheet...

Total Donated: $2,180,149,543

To Democrats: $1,293,080,241 (59.31%)

To Republicans: $858,606,177 (39.38%)

And we're worried about the big bad corporations giving too much to the Republicans???

Am I missing something here? I am honestly shocked at these numbers. I consider myself a fiscal conservative (liberal on some social policies). But I really expected to see corporations donating big dollars to republicans...but most seem to donate to both parties. While Unions...primarily give to Dems.

The only thing you may be missing (emphasis on may be) is the amount of money "donated" by the unions and how that money (in many cases) is extracted from the members of the union.  They are compelled to join and pay dues as a condition of employment (again many not all) and they don't have a say in how these dues are "donated"  (who they are donated to).

The other thing you may be missing is that if you don't like what you have found you can't boycott your local union (not that you would) like the unions are targeting local WI companies who had individuals who made a personal choice to donate to Walker and pubs.


Quel

Mar 15, 11 9:11

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [creek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

creek wrote:
And we wonder why our elected representatives act the way that they do? They are bought and paid for by unions.

No. The damn probably is that everyone is bought and paid for. Some are bought and paid for by unions, some by corporations. Of course, if it makes you feel better to point fingers and say "oh look we pay for politicians 10% less than that other party!", go ahead. Still stinks to me and anyone else who cares more about the system than partisan hackery.


creek

Mar 15, 11 9:18

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [Quel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Quel wrote:
creek wrote:
And we wonder why our elected representatives act the way that they do? They are bought and paid for by unions.


No. The damn probably is that everyone is bought and paid for. Some are bought and paid for by unions, some by corporations. Of course, if it makes you feel better to point fingers and say "oh look we pay for politicians 10% less than that other party!", go ahead. Still stinks to me and anyone else who cares more about the system than partisan hackery.

But the current system encourages partisan hackery.


jeffp

Mar 15, 11 9:18

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [ironmayb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

we could like the corps that donated to the fleebag 14 and boycott those, or those that donated to barrett


ironmayb

Mar 15, 11 9:22

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jeffp wrote:
we could like the corps that donated to the fleebag 14 and boycott those, or those that donated to barrett

yeah but then we'd be Quel....


Quel

Mar 15, 11 9:30

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [ironmayb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

ironmayb wrote:
jeffp wrote:
we could like the corps that donated to the fleebag 14 and boycott those, or those that donated to barrett


yeah but then we'd be Quel....

I don't even know what that means.

People are free to buy or not buy goods from anywhere they choose. If you guys want to show your support for Walker/opposition to Democrats that way, you are certainly welcome to do so.


jeffp

Mar 15, 11 9:33

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [Quel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

ex's comment fromthis AM was........

so are the protesters not going to use the roads?? or are they selectively picking out what won't impact themselves too much


Quel

Mar 15, 11 9:37

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jeffp wrote:
ex's comment fromthis AM was........

so are the protesters not going to use the roads?? or are they selectively picking out what won't impact themselves too much

Huh? Someone thinks they should be boycotting roads to avoid being hypocritical?


jeffp

Mar 15, 11 9:44

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [Quel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

do folks just select some donors to boycott because it doesn't impact them greatly?

i am just asking the question. i imply nothing else.

did the road builders assoc donate to walker? is walker pro road building and anti snail rail? how is this different conceptually?


peter826

Mar 15, 11 9:44

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [BeachboyWI] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

BeachboyWI wrote:

I have to say, these numbers are the opposite of what I expected to see.

Of the top 20 political donors most are solid democrat. At least 12 are Unions...and their total donations dwarf the corporations to republicans.

For all the talk about Koch Industries they actaully gave 10% of their donations to democrats...and were DWARFED by union donations.
Union donations were off the freaking charts when you compile that whole list.

Koch looks small because the law on corporate contributions changed significantly in 2010.

Wait a few years and then chart union contribution v. corporate contributions, you might find something different.


JSA

Mar 15, 11 9:44

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [QuadsofFURY] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

QuadsofFURY wrote:
In Reply To:
And we wonder why our elected representatives act the way that they do? They are bought and paid for by unions.


Which is why the Employee Free Choice Act just went sailing through Congress and is now law....

The main reason why it did not go flying through is b/c Team Donkey got too bogged down in the ObamaCare fight.
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creek

Mar 15, 11 9:50

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [jeffp] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

jeffp wrote:
do folks just select some donors to boycott because it doesn't impact them greatly?

i am just asking the question. i imply nothing else.

did the road builders assoc donate to walker? is walker pro road building and anti snail rail? how is this different conceptually?

If he was pro-road would they call him Walker??


Quel

Mar 15, 11 9:57

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [jeffp] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

jeffp wrote:
do folks just select some donors to boycott because it doesn't impact them greatly?

i am just asking the question. i imply nothing else.

did the road builders assoc donate to walker? is walker pro road building and anti snail rail? how is this different conceptually?

That seems like the type of questions someone should ask before making the statement about "why don't the hypocrites boycott roads?" :) I don't know the answers.


ironmayb

Mar 15, 11 10:04

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [Quel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Quel wrote:
ironmayb wrote:
jeffp wrote:
we could like the corps that donated to the fleebag 14 and boycott those, or those that donated to barrett


yeah but then we'd be Quel....


I don't even know what that means.

People are free to buy or not buy goods from anywhere they choose. If you guys want to show your support for Walker/opposition to Democrats that way, you are certainly welcome to do so.

you said you don't know what that means. Then defined what that means. It wasn't meant to be negative. This is your position. Most days on its surface I would agree with it. In this particular case I find it a bit naive (at best), and I suspect those supporting it are hoping you see it for more than just that.

Personally, I'll stick to buying things from places for reasons other than whether or not individual employees of the establishment support a particular political agenda.


j p o

Mar 15, 11 10:09

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [BeachboyWI] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Is it somehow mysterious to you why unions don't give to the party that has spent over 30 years trying to destroy them? There is a reason the unions and the republicans have an antagoistic relationship.

But both parties are friends to corporations and the financial industry. Those two tend to donate money to the individual they believe will have power. And remarkably both parties give them pretty much anything they want.


jeffp

Mar 15, 11 10:10

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walker, wisconsin ranger

he my drop kick you


BeachboyWI

Mar 15, 11 10:16

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j p o wrote:
Is it somehow mysterious to you why unions don't give to the party that has spent over 30 years trying to destroy them? There is a reason the unions and the republicans have an antagoistic relationship.

But both parties are friends to corporations and the financial industry. Those two tend to donate money to the individual they believe will have power. And remarkably both parties give them pretty much anything they want.

I wasn't surprised that the unions give to the dems.

I was surprised that the unions appear to dwarf corporations in terms of donations. For most of my life I've heard complaints that the republicans are funded by the big rich donors and big business while the Dems don't.

These numbers not only show the opposite is true...they show that the unions themselves are in fact the biggest business in town when it comes to political donations.

I found that to be surprising.
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jeffp

Mar 15, 11 10:22

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no!!!!! no bipartisan shopping!!!!


(This post was edited by jeffp on Mar 15, 11 10:22)


ironmayb

Mar 15, 11 10:34

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jeffp wrote:
no!!!!! no bipartisan shopping!!!!

I will admit that I am biased here. As I understand it the forklift driver for our company contributed $25 to Walker's campaign. I really hope saying that out loud doesn't sink our whole ship here.......


slowbern

Mar 15, 11 10:52

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [BeachboyWI] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

And we're worried about the big bad corporations giving too much to the Republicans???

Am I missing something here? I am honestly shocked at these numbers. I consider myself a fiscal conservative (liberal on some social policies). But I really expected to see corporations donating big dollars to republicans...but most seem to donate to both parties. While Unions...primarily give to Dems.


Obviously I follow my Union's politics closer than most. I know that the IAFF in the past 8 years has been more of a 60/40 split Dem/Rep in donations. This was brought about with changes to our FIREPAC which is how we actually donate money politically now. In fact, I'm not even sure that the IAFF can donate directly to a politician or at least it is limited to hard money...or something. The FIREPAC is where the money goes through and I get an annual statement (because I am a direct donor to the FIREPAC) for how that money is spent.

In terms of my Union, I understand precisely why and who we donate money to. Every candidate who wants a donation goes through a screening process that involves a questionairre which guages their support of fire fighter issues regardless of political party. If they support our issues, we support them...period.

I also know where the IAFF gets their money from. They get it from me...a taxpayer, a citizen, a worker, a fire fighter, a constituent.

What is a corporation? Why should I, or anybody, trust a corporation?

Is a corporation a citizen? Does a corporation have rights (like I supposedly do) in the Constitution?

Or is a corporation simply a legal entity constructed to shield a group of people (or sometimes 1 person) from paying exhorbitant taxes and possible legal entanglements?

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Quel

Mar 15, 11 11:00

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Re: Unions are BIG Business [ironmayb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

ironmayb wrote:
jeffp wrote:
no!!!!! no bipartisan shopping!!!!


I will admit that I am biased here. As I understand it the forklift driver for our company contributed $25 to Walker's campaign. I really hope saying that out loud doesn't sink our whole ship here.......


My opinion:
1) Cut out corporate and group giving.
2) Raise the cap on individual donations modestly, but make it the only way of donating. Not sure how feasible that is in terms of getting enough $$ to run a campaign like we are used to. Maybe make up a small public financing match there?
3) Make political donations secret. Same way you get a secret ballot. Keep records to avoid any fraud or breaking the donations caps, but make them only available to auditors, not public. I don't see why individual donations are so public yet group donations can now be shrouded under 20 layers of secrecy after Citizens United.

Removes corporate/union donation strangleholds. Makes the politicians less beholden to influential individuals or groups. And any union member could donate to a republican without fear of his co-workers looking for revenge. Still let individuals donate to political organizations that can run advertisements, but not let the organization bundle donations to give to specific candidates. Make them convince the people to donate money to those candidates.

I don't know, I can see the holes, but those can probably be filled. Seems better than what we've got now.


(This post was edited by Quel on Mar 15, 11 11:02)

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