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USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship
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The U.S. Navy Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG-56) has apparently collided with a merchant vessel east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca.

Initial reports say that the ship sustained damage to its aft port side and that search and rescue efforts are underway. The Navy warship is named after John S. McCain, Sr. and John S. McCain, Jr., both Navy admirals, and the grandfather and father, respectively, of the Arizona senator and 2008 Republican presidential nominee.

USS John S. McCain collides with merchant ship near Strait of Malacca > Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet > Display

The John S. McCain is of the same class of guided missile destroyer as the USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62), which itself collided with a merchant vessel on June 17th of the year.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Are China and NK taking out our guided middle ships one by one/is this coincidence or something more going on? Or is the timing foil hat on too tight?
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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My merchant brothers on the sea say if it's big an gray stay away.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [Constantine] [ In reply to ]
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Constantine wrote:
My merchant brothers on the sea say if it's big an gray stay away.

A destroyer is kind of little and gray. (Though I don't know how big this merchant ship was).
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [trail] [ In reply to ]
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500' is big
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [Constantine] [ In reply to ]
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Constantine wrote:
500' is big

Kinda long, but not that massive. Mass wins. As the USS Fitzgerald figured out. (though the angle of attack had a lot to do with that).
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
Constantine wrote:
My merchant brothers on the sea say if it's big an gray stay away.


A destroyer is kind of little and gray. (Though I don't know how big this merchant ship was).

In the Navy, destroyers are often known as 'small boys' and 'tin cans.' As you say, while 500' is fairly lengthy for what is actually a smallish man 'o war, its mass would be nowhere near that of the typical merchant vessel. Universal Law of Gross Tonnage would come into play in any collision.

In this case, the Navy ship sustained damage on its port side aft (along the rear areas of its left side), which is generally where you might see damage if the two ships that collided were steaming according to the right of way protocols at sea.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Reports are that 10 Sailors missing and 5 injured.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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WTF, slowguy???

How can there be this much incompetence in command? Missing sailors is a euphemism for we haven't identified the dead bodies yet...

Should you be posting less and commanding more; seriously, how is this happening?

Wag More, Bark Less
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [SallyShortyPnts] [ In reply to ]
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SallyShortyPnts wrote:
WTF, slowguy???

How can there be this much incompetence in command? Missing sailors is a euphemism for we haven't identified the dead bodies yet...

Should you be posting less and commanding more; seriously, how is this happening?

Perhaps we could wait to find out what actually happened before deciding this was more incompetence.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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No doubt there's tons more to learn about what went on, but has there ever been another time when two such similar incidents occurred so near in time to one another? If the Navy had one black eye, then this has to be like two black eyes and a bloody nose. A third after this, and it's like near decapitation!

Serious question though - what happens in the Navy at a high process level for these incidents? What I mean is, does the Navy do like a 90 minute response and stand down? I'm thinking of my employer's policy. For example, this past spring there was a death on an outage in the South. There was an immediate stand down and safety brief for all ongoing outages upon learning of the incident.

Anything like that?

Man oh man. I would not want to be a watch these days.

Gnothi Seauton.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [SallyShortyPnts] [ In reply to ]
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SallyShortyPnts wrote:
WTF, slowguy???

How can there be this much incompetence in command? Missing sailors is a euphemism for we haven't identified the dead bodies yet...

Should you be posting less and commanding more; seriously, how is this happening?

Well you won most inappropriate post of the week
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [Willi3ja] [ In reply to ]
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Willi3ja wrote:
Are China and NK taking out our guided middle ships one by one/is this coincidence or something more going on? Or is the timing foil hat on too tight?

If it's flying a Filipino flag you may be on to something
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
Reports are that 10 Sailors missing and 5 injured.

This is horrible, horrible news. I can't believe the year the Navy is having, sir.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
SallyShortyPnts wrote:
WTF, slowguy???

How can there be this much incompetence in command? Missing sailors is a euphemism for we haven't identified the dead bodies yet...

Should you be posting less and commanding more; seriously, how is this happening?


Perhaps we could wait to find out what actually happened before deciding this was more incompetence.

TIMES TWO.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
SallyShortyPnts wrote:
WTF, slowguy???

How can there be this much incompetence in command? Missing sailors is a euphemism for we haven't identified the dead bodies yet...

Should you be posting less and commanding more; seriously, how is this happening?


Well you won most inappropriate post of the week


X2 - Do you think it is appropriate to hold all Naval officers responsible for two mishaps? Attacking Slowguy is uncalled for and quite tacky.
Last edited by: rick_pcfl: Aug 20, 17 21:14
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I am confused.
They make cars like the Tesla that can drive through traffic autonomously. And we have ships that cost $1.8 billion, are suppose to avoid missile attacks, but are running into merchant ships.

RIP to the fallen heros.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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Well I took SSP's final comment there more as laudatory towards Slowguy's proven skills. i.e., He should be off ST and back out in the surface fleet commanding so as to prevent more of these occurrences! He's successfully commanded a surface combatant at the O5 level and even commanded as a commodore for a while. So I'm pretty sure SSP's is spot on with his/her comment.

As to the tinfoil hat thing--it would certainly be a asymmetrical way to get after one of the components of our layered air defense, and BMD, to take these class ships out in such a manner. Tom Clancy kind of stuff. So I doubt it.

/r

Steve
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [Steve Hawley] [ In reply to ]
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Steve Hawley wrote:
Well I took SSP's final comment there more as laudatory towards Slowguy's proven skills. i.e., He should be off ST and back out in the surface fleet commanding so as to prevent more of these occurrences! He's successfully commanded a surface combatant at the O5 level and even commanded as a commodore for a while. So I'm pretty sure SSP's is spot on with his/her comment.

As to the tinfoil hat thing--it would certainly be a asymmetrical way to get after one of the components of our layered air defense, and BMD, to take these class ships out in such a manner. Tom Clancy kind of stuff. So I doubt it.

/r

I can appreciate you giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I saw one line about incompetency in the Navy, and then the other telling him that he should be posting less and working more. Taken together, they didn't seem to be laudatory.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [getcereal] [ In reply to ]
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getcereal wrote:
I am confused.
They make cars like the Tesla that can drive through traffic autonomously. And we have ships that cost $1.8 billion, are suppose to avoid missile attacks, but are running into merchant ships.


Both can fail given a proper injection of incompetence.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [Constantine] [ In reply to ]
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Constantine wrote:
My merchant brothers on the sea say if it's big an gray stay away.

Been a merchant marine for quite a few years, never heard it. Regulations apply to all, screw ups happens to anybody.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [Ready4Launch] [ In reply to ]
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Ready4Launch wrote:
No doubt there's tons more to learn about what went on, but has there ever been another time when two such similar incidents occurred so near in time to one another? If the Navy had one black eye, then this has to be like two black eyes and a bloody nose. A third after this, and it's like near decapitation!

Serious question though - what happens in the Navy at a high process level for these incidents? What I mean is, does the Navy do like a 90 minute response and stand down? I'm thinking of my employer's policy. For example, this past spring there was a death on an outage in the South. There was an immediate stand down and safety brief for all ongoing outages upon learning of the incident.

Anything like that?

Man oh man. I would not want to be a watch these days.
Yeah sometimes that sort of thing happens, although it's more common with aircraft. The Marines are an example just recently presumably due to the Osprey crashes:

https://go.usa.gov/xRpbB
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [softrun] [ In reply to ]
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What this means is navy ships changing course during manuvers,like the JSM nightime.
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Re: USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship [getcereal] [ In reply to ]
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getcereal wrote:
I am confused.
They make cars like the Tesla that can drive through traffic autonomously. And we have ships that cost $1.8 billion, are suppose to avoid missile attacks, but are running into merchant ships.

RIP to the fallen heros.

and people think planes are going to fly themselves.
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