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Robert Meuller Appointed
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Special counsel to investigate the Russian allegations!
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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That's a good thing.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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dave_w wrote:
That's a good thing.

I think it could be a good thing for congressional republicans. By the investigation being compartmentalized it may allow them to get back to their legislative priorities.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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xtremrun wrote:
dave_w wrote:
That's a good thing.


I think it could be a good thing for congressional republicans. By the investigation being compartmentalized it may allow them to get back to their legislative priorities.
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Good (non-partisan) point. I also think it reflects well on Rosenstein.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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xtremrun wrote:
dave_w wrote:
That's a good thing.


I think it could be a good thing for congressional republicans.

At least now the GOP House majority leader can either confirm or put to rest his suspicions about Trump being on Putin's payroll.

"Canada is like a lofty apartment over a really great party" Robin Williams
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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I would love to think this will put an end to the speculation and get everyone back to doing their jobs, but frankly I think the side which doesn't get the finding / outcome they believe is correct will cry foul and it will continue.

Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Trump's fired Comey, he's worse than Hitler!

I am so fucking over this.

Swim. Overbike. Walk.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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sphere wrote:
xtremrun wrote:
dave_w wrote:
That's a good thing.


I think it could be a good thing for congressional republicans.

At least now the GOP House majority leader can either confirm or put to rest his suspicions about Trump being on Putin's payroll.

Holy shit this stuff is literally unbelievable. Makes House of Cards look totally tame.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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xtremrun wrote:
Special counsel to investigate the Russian allegations!


Lock him up!
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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I would love to think this will put an end to the speculation and get everyone back to doing their jobs, but frankly I think the side which doesn't get the finding / outcome they believe is correct will cry foul and it will continue.

Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Trump's fired Comey, he's worse than Hitler!

I am so fucking over this.

Bingo.

If this guy doesn't find anything substantial he'll be the next Ken Starr.

It's only smellz.

- Rocco Siffredi
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
I would love to think this will put an end to the speculation and get everyone back to doing their jobs, but frankly I think the side which doesn't get the finding / outcome they believe is correct will cry foul and it will continue.

Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Trump's fired Comey, he's worse than Hitler!

I am so fucking over this.

Bingo.

If this guy doesn't find anything substantial he'll be the next Ken Starr.

The problem is only the people in denial don't see Manafort, Flynn and Carter page are up to their eyeballs. Now just heard a report that Russian banker Jared met with financed a Trump property. It's only going to get worse.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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Mueller seems well suited. no telling what he'll find if he really digs into Russian money chichanery
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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The problem is only the people in denial don't see Manafort, Flynn and Carter page are up to their eyeballs.

up to their eyeballs in what, exactly?

It's a serious question because for the life of me I just couldn't tell you. They met with Russian officials? And then did what?

Believe me, if they did something illegal they should pay. I just haven't heard anything other than leaked innuendos and hostile press accounts from unnamed sources.

Here's what DiFi had to say about evidence of collusion...



So there's that...

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Now just heard a report that Russian banker Jared met with financed a Trump property.

I'll just, for the sake of argument, stipulate that this report is true. Trump has properties all over the world financed in by many different people from many different countries. It would com as no surprise at all that Russia would be on the list of those countries. I'm not saying that this is an entirely innocent relationship (i don't know either way), I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if Trump didn't have business dealings with Russians given the vast and widespread reach of the Trump enterprise.

It's only smellz.

- Rocco Siffredi
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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Now reported that wh knew flynn under investigation longer than previously reported and still waited 18 days to fire him...
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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xtremrun wrote:
Duffy wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
I would love to think this will put an end to the speculation and get everyone back to doing their jobs, but frankly I think the side which doesn't get the finding / outcome they believe is correct will cry foul and it will continue.

Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Trump's fired Comey, he's worse than Hitler!

I am so fucking over this.


Bingo.

If this guy doesn't find anything substantial he'll be the next Ken Starr.


The problem is only the people in denial don't see Manafort, Flynn and Carter page are up to their eyeballs. Now just heard a report that Russian banker Jared met with financed a Trump property. It's only going to get worse.

By worse you mean media attempting to strengthen the frame and confirmation bias? Yep.

Lets wait and see what the investigation yields before we start hanging people from lamp posts. Or have we completely discarded due process in favour of pursuing an agenda?

Swim. Overbike. Walk.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
I would love to think this will put an end to the speculation and get everyone back to doing their jobs, but frankly I think the side which doesn't get the finding / outcome they believe is correct will cry foul and it will continue.

Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Trump's fired Comey, he's worse than Hitler!

I am so fucking over this.

Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Wait, you're happy with the guy until you find out he's probably investigating you so you fire him? WTF

FIFY

The Republicans have the House, Senate, and White House, can't get anything done and you're blaming the Democrats?

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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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Oh boy we finally get to see Trumps tax returns. And Duffy, you are right in that he probably had ties to banks from all over the world, but he has said flatly that he has no Russian business going on. It will not be that he has Russian ties, just the he has continually lied about them. The old Martha Stewart conundrum, cover up worst than the actual crime.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [monty] [ In reply to ]
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And you know the old saying about a woman scorned, that goes double for an acting/assistant attorney general!!! Bet the talking heads at the White House wish they had never cooked up that first excuse to fire Comey now. Talking about coming back to bite you...
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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TheRef65 wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
I would love to think this will put an end to the speculation and get everyone back to doing their jobs, but frankly I think the side which doesn't get the finding / outcome they believe is correct will cry foul and it will continue.

Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Trump's fired Comey, he's worse than Hitler!

I am so fucking over this.


Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Wait, you're happy with the guy until you find out he's probably investigating you so you fire him? WTF

FIFY

The Republicans have the House, Senate, and White House, can't get anything done and you're blaming the Democrats?

What has the lack of legislation getting passed have anything to do with Comey getting fired? And when did I blame the democrats, since I presume you're responding to my post?

Swim. Overbike. Walk.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [monty] [ In reply to ]
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And you know the old saying about a woman scorned, that goes double for an acting/assistant attorney general!!! Bet the talking heads at the White House wish they had never cooked up that first excuse to fire Comey now. Talking about coming back to bite you...

Right, so government officials are getting revenge like some crazy ex-girlfriend.

You pretty much nailed it right there.

It's only smellz.

- Rocco Siffredi
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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If someone lies about you to the point that you are close to quitting your job because your reputation was so tarnished from the lie, probably should expect that person to be a little angry about you. People with biases run all of our companies and agencies. Probably a good idea not to severely piss off the one guy that can ruin you, even if you are president.

Either way this was going to happen once Comey was fired, it was just a matter of when and by whom. And never saw rats jump so fast from a sinking ship, who will be the last ones off the titanic here?

And I am not gloating one bit, I'm actually getting more afraid of what is coming after. Pence Im afraid is going to make us long for the days of Trump!
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Pence Im afraid is going to make us long for the days of Trump!

I said here way back shortly after Trump picked Pence. I said the Trump must have good survival instincts.

I predicted Trump would be assasinated either before or shortly after he was sworn in. But he picked Pence for veep making that less likely because...well because of what you just said. Pence is waaaaaay worse than Trump ideologically.

Trump doesn't really have an ideology and he's certainly not a cultural conservative. Pence on the other hand...



It's only smellz.

- Rocco Siffredi
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
Oh boy we finally get to see Trumps tax returns. And Duffy, you are right in that he probably had ties to banks from all over the world, but he has said flatly that he has no Russian business going on. It will not be that he has Russian ties, just the he has continually lied about them. The old Martha Stewart conundrum, cover up worst than the actual crime.


After listening to legal analysis of the decision, I think it's going to turn out to be a disaster for people like me, who just want to know the truth. If they're correct in their assessments, we'll end up knowing less, and not more, about the nature of the relationships (or lack thereof) between Trump's team and Russia, about his tax returns, his meddling in the FBI investigation, the content of the Comey memos, etc., because the existence of a special prosecutor moves all of that material behind closed doors, only to be revealed if there's a recommendation to prosecute, whereas an independent commission and congressional investigation would sift through that material publicly.

The most likely scenario, I suspect, is that Trump and co. will have been found to have been dishonest in their accounting of the details at nearly every turn, but that no actionable crime will be uncovered, and so none of their deception will be revealed, and Trump will claim victory and reinforce the lie that it's all about media persecution, and nothing more.

This appointment may ultimately provide him the cover of implied credibility he desperately needs.

"Canada is like a lofty apartment over a really great party" Robin Williams
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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This appointment may ultimately provide him the cover of implied credibility he desperately needs.

Yes. Also I beg to differ with you as I don't think there's really anything there. But regardless, outcome as you say.

Also, in the meantime, this takes the heat off Trump on a day to day basis. Democrats gotta find a new move now.
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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Dems 6 months ago: Comey deserves to be fired!
The Donald: You're fired!
Dems now: Trump's fired Comey, he's worse than Hitler!

You are being intellectually dishonest if you pretend that you don't see why the Dems wanted Comey fired and then were upset with how and when it was done.

You're such a Trump ball washer! - Duffy - Feb 8, 17 13:18
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Re: Robert Meuller Appointed [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Also, in the meantime, this takes the heat off Trump on a day to day basis.

Eh, I'm not so sure it works that way for him. In fact, I'm certain it doesn't.

I think it's far more likely than not that there is no crime to uncover--at least, initially--but Trump's inability to tolerate the existence of doubt or suspicion regarding his election victory has driven him to behave as though he's got something to hide. I mean, looking at the events as they've unfolded; it's progressed from baseless denials of Russian interference, even at the expense of the American intel community, to one massive unforced error after another, and for what? To cover up actual collusion, or to protect his fragile ego from the idea that he didn't register a clean victory? With Trump, the latter is equally as plausible as the former. There may not be a coverup going on here, but if there were, this is pretty much what it would look like.

A lengthy, broad scope investigation with teeth, into pretty much whatever Muller wants to look into, will take a heavy toll. His head space will jammed up like the beltway on a holiday weekend.

"Canada is like a lofty apartment over a really great party" Robin Williams
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