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klehner

Jun 14, 12 7:42

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Poll respondents who identified themselves as Republicans were split, with 49 percent saying Bush deserved a moderate amount or great deal of the blame while 51 percent said Bush deserved not much of the blame or none at all. They expressed even more blame for Obama, however, with 83 percent holding him largely responsible for the state of the economy, the poll found.
Among Democrats, 90 percent blamed Bush for the weak economy and only 19 percent said Obama should carry much of the blame, according to the poll, conducted by telephone June 7 to 10.
"Republicans, in short, are significantly more willing to blame their most recent Republican president than are Democrats willing to blame Obama," Gallup said.
Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent). Fewer independents blamed Obama than Gallup's last results in September, when 60 percent pointed to him, the poll found.

I would guess that Romney will double down and push the "Obama is to blame for the economy," rather than switch tactics.
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MJuric

Jun 14, 12 7:46

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [klehner] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent). Fewer independents blamed Obama than Gallup's last results in September, when 60 percent pointed to him, the poll found.

But I thought Obama was Running against Romney, not Bush? I mean if 51% are likely to blame Obama and 0% are blaming Romney I would think that bodes well for Romney.

~Matt



klehner

Jun 14, 12 7:55

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [MJuric] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

MJuric wrote:
Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent). Fewer independents blamed Obama than Gallup's last results in September, when 60 percent pointed to him, the poll found.

But I thought Obama was Running against Romney, not Bush? I mean if 51% are likely to blame Obama and 0% are blaming Romney I would think that bodes well for Romney.

~Matt

Romney is running on "It's Obama's fault," but most people don't believe that, according to this poll. I don't think Romney is running on "Hey, it's not my fault!"
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TheForge

Jun 14, 12 7:56

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [klehner] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I blame Bush for getting us into this mess, but Obama took it and exponentially messed it up. So I might be part of that 67%, but that doesn't mean I would vote for Obama in a million years. Heck, I would vote for Sarah Palin if she was the candidate running against him. I don't think she could make it any worse. But then again, I thought the same thing when Obama replace Bush. Boy was I wrong.


j p o

Jun 14, 12 8:02

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [MJuric] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

MJuric wrote:
Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent). Fewer independents blamed Obama than Gallup's last results in September, when 60 percent pointed to him, the poll found.

But I thought Obama was Running against Romney, not Bush? I mean if 51% are likely to blame Obama and 0% are blaming Romney I would think that bodes well for Romney.

~Matt

Obama is running against the easiest opponent. First you get people to blame Bush, then you convince them Romney = Bush 2.0. You might not like how Obama governs but you have to admit he is pretty good at campaign politics.


TheForge

Jun 14, 12 8:12

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [j p o] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

j p o wrote:
MJuric wrote:
Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent). Fewer independents blamed Obama than Gallup's last results in September, when 60 percent pointed to him, the poll found.

But I thought Obama was Running against Romney, not Bush? I mean if 51% are likely to blame Obama and 0% are blaming Romney I would think that bodes well for Romney.

~Matt


Obama is running against the easiest opponent. First you get people to blame Bush, then you convince them Romney = Bush 2.0. You might not like how Obama governs but you have to admit he is pretty good at campaign politics.

This would assume that his strategy is working. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Reputable Democrat advisors have been yelling to anybody who will listen that his going after Romney personally strategy working.

I would think that most Americans, especially any who have taken over a job after somebody screwed things up royaly would acknowledge at a certain point you have to take responsibility and your bosses start holding you accountable. This idiot, Obama, wanted to be president when anybody who was paying attentions could have told him that things were so screwed up that even if he did everything right, things would still not be favorable, but he wanted the job. I predicted whoever won in 2008 would be a one termer. I just didn't think anybody could have messed things up worse than Bush. Once again, I was wrong, and wrong in a big way. Will Romney fix things? I don't know, but I would like to think his ideology is more in line with sound economics. So I don't see him screwing things up any worse. But if circumstance or his ineptetude does screw it up more. We elect the next guy with a better idea. Or at least that is what you will see me doing. Heck, I might even agree with Klehner on many things with regard to Romney end of next year (Romney's first year in office).


oldandslow

Jun 14, 12 8:31

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [TheForge] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Jeez, listen to yourself! I've never heard anyone WHINE as much as you. Does everyone around you complain so much? If so, remind me not to move to your town. Where I live, we are recovering from a major recession. Most people can find jobs, housing has stabilized (after tanking), the stock market has recovered, life goes on. Things aren't fantastic, but certainly getting better (at least in my area of the country). The non-stop 24/7 Cry-A-Thon has already gotten so old, that I think independents are starting to get embarrassed to be associated with it.


(This post was edited by oldandslow on Jun 14, 12 8:31)


jkca1

Jun 14, 12 8:32

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [MJuric] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

At some point during a debate Romney is going to be asked how much blame GW should get for the state of the economy. How he answers that question will be a pivot point in the election. He needs to throw GW under the bus and also say that Obama worsened GW's bad economic policies. If he can do that he will gain a measure of credibility he doesn't have today.

"They are all crooks, both sides of the aisle."


rick_pcfl

Jun 14, 12 8:33

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [oldandslow] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

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TheForge

Jun 14, 12 8:39

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [jkca1] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I agree. But I also think that Republicans have publicly acknowledged that Bush's spending was out of control and did little to improve us on the domestic front. So I think Romney can do that without burning too many bridges in the party. Look at the reaming that Jeb is getting for suggesting that we need more compromise. Compromise is what led to this. Because compromise means one party wants no spending (at least their consituents do) and the other wants more spending. The compromise is less but still more spending.


oldandslow

Jun 14, 12 8:43

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [rick_pcfl] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Good point, I think that Walker benefited greatly from the electorate wanting to have a less negative/pessimistic viewpoint. That doesn't mean that there won't be negative campaigning, but the incessant stream of pessimism which emanate from some people is unattractive, to say the least. Without a sense of optimism and a viable set of forward-looking solutions, the GOP is going to have problems.


jkca1

Jun 14, 12 8:53

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [TheForge] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I agree. Romney needs to sound more like a conservative if he expects their votes and respect.

"They are all crooks, both sides of the aisle."


MJuric

Jun 14, 12 9:03

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [klehner] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Romney is running on "It's Obama's fault," but most people don't believe that, according to this poll.

According to the poll 51% do blame Obama. Assuming if you believe that Romney is not at fault and Obama is at fault wouldn't you be more likely to vote for the guy that you thought had nothing to do with it than the guy you thought screwed it up?

I just can't see how any of this is positive for Obama unless you're going to use j p o's approach that Romney equals Bush.

~Matt




Eppur si muove

Jun 14, 12 9:49

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [klehner] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

klehner wrote:
Romney is running on "It's Obama's fault," but most people don't believe that, according to this poll.
Not according to the numbers you quoted. From those numbers, it's apparent that a lot of people believe that both Bush and Obama are at fault (I'd fall in that category myself). Your numbers don't even mention Romney.

Honest question (I'm not following the campaign enough to know the answer): Is Romney praising GWB these days, or is he trying to distance himself from him? Or somewhere in-between?


j p o

Jun 14, 12 10:06

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [TheForge] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

TheForge wrote:

This would assume that his strategy is working. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Reputable Democrat advisors have been yelling to anybody who will listen that his going after Romney personally strategy working.

Last I checked this is June, the election is not until November. In 2008 Obama played a very patient game in both the primaries and the general election. The first two weeks in June are not going to decide this election.


YaHey

Jun 14, 12 10:16

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [MJuric] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

According to the poll 51% do blame Obama.

49.9% of the country would not vote or agree with Obama, even when is right.

The margin of error is probably 2-5%, so basically all this poll shows is that republicans blame Obama.


BarryP

Jun 14, 12 11:00

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [klehner] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Interestingly I don't think I can really put much blame on either one. I would target both parties in congress. Bush is only to blame in so much as he didn't really act to fix anything, but I wouldn't expect a president to unless it became a priority, and that has to largely be pushed by congress.

War and debt? Yeah, I'll put that on Bush, but not really the economy.....but that's just me.
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TheForge

Jun 14, 12 11:49

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [j p o] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

j p o wrote:
TheForge wrote:


This would assume that his strategy is working. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Reputable Democrat advisors have been yelling to anybody who will listen that his going after Romney personally strategy working.


Last I checked this is June, the election is not until November. In 2008 Obama played a very patient game in both the primaries and the general election. The first two weeks in June are not going to decide this election.

I'll give you that. But barring some miracle in the economy and a spike in employment. I don't see things getting better for him. I think this election will largely hinge on things beyond either of the candidates control and less about campaign strategy. If the status quo remains, then Romney pulls it off. It gets worse, he wins by a landslide. Or if there is a sudden improvement Obama wins.


Old Hickory

Jun 14, 12 12:17

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [Eppur si muove] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Eppur si muove wrote:
Honest question (I'm not following the campaign enough to know the answer): Is Romney praising GWB these days, or is he trying to distance himself from him? Or somewhere in-between?

Not mentioning him, at all. Why should he? Obama will do plenty of that and he has for nearly 6 years.


Dirty Bottles

Jun 14, 12 12:18

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [j p o] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

j p o wrote:
TheForge wrote:


This would assume that his strategy is working. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Reputable Democrat advisors have been yelling to anybody who will listen that his going after Romney personally strategy working.


Last I checked this is June, the election is not until November. In 2008 Obama played a very patient game in both the primaries and the general election. The first two weeks in June are not going to decide this election.

While I agree this thing won't be decided in June, you have to agree it's been a tough month for Obama and it has nothing to do with him being patient. There have been a number of unforced errors by Team Obama.


TheForge

Jun 14, 12 12:22

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [Dirty Bottles] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Dirty Bottles wrote:
j p o wrote:
TheForge wrote:


This would assume that his strategy is working. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Reputable Democrat advisors have been yelling to anybody who will listen that his going after Romney personally strategy working.


Last I checked this is June, the election is not until November. In 2008 Obama played a very patient game in both the primaries and the general election. The first two weeks in June are not going to decide this election.


While I agree this thing won't be decided in June, you have to agree it's been a tough month for Obama and it has nothing to do with him being patient. There have been a number of unforced errors by Team Obama.

Exactly, and it seems to be a combination of denial or falling back on what worked for 2008. But the problem is there isn't an idiot in the White House to blame... I mean there isn't an idiot in the White House Obama can run against.


Eppur si muove

Jun 14, 12 12:35

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [jkca1] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

jkca1 wrote:
At some point during a debate Romney is going to be asked how much blame GW should get for the state of the economy. How he answers that question will be a pivot point in the election. He needs to throw GW under the bus and also say that Obama worsened GW's bad economic policies. If he can do that he will gain a measure of credibility he doesn't have today.
If he does that, it might be the most truthful thing he says in the entire campaign.


j p o

Jun 14, 12 12:55

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [Dirty Bottles] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Dirty Bottles wrote:
j p o wrote:
TheForge wrote:


This would assume that his strategy is working. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Reputable Democrat advisors have been yelling to anybody who will listen that his going after Romney personally strategy working.


Last I checked this is June, the election is not until November. In 2008 Obama played a very patient game in both the primaries and the general election. The first two weeks in June are not going to decide this election.


While I agree this thing won't be decided in June, you have to agree it's been a tough month for Obama and it has nothing to do with him being patient. There have been a number of unforced errors by Team Obama.

My post tied back into my earlier post that Forge responded to.

Whether you like him or not, Obama has been proven adept at campaign politics.

The only "error" made was something said clumsily that sounds bad when taken out of context. Kind of like when Romney said, "I like being able to fire people." Said clumsily and sounds bad taken out of context.

My point to the above though is that we are 5 months out from the election, the polls are very tight, and the talk in the press that Obama is panicking is dumb.

The worst thing that has happened to Obama is that the stock market has dipped largely due to the fact that Spain, Greece, and Italy all have dept woes for which Obama is personally responsible.

But I love campaign politics, it always amazes me how bad politicians of all leanings are at it. And that is part of what makes it fun.


JRenfro

Jun 14, 12 13:07

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [klehner] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

klehner wrote:
MJuric wrote:
Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent). Fewer independents blamed Obama than Gallup's last results in September, when 60 percent pointed to him, the poll found.

But I thought Obama was Running against Romney, not Bush? I mean if 51% are likely to blame Obama and 0% are blaming Romney I would think that bodes well for Romney.

~Matt

Romney is running on "It's Obama's fault," but most people don't believe that, according to this poll. I don't think Romney is running on "Hey, it's not my fault!"

I suppose you don't know what the word MOST means.

From the numbers you posted 51% of Independents which more than half, therefore equals MOST are blaming Obama.


Old Hickory

Jun 14, 12 13:14

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Re: Obama's propaganda machine is better'n Romney's [JRenfro] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

JRenfro wrote:
klehner wrote:
MJuric wrote:
Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent). Fewer independents blamed Obama than Gallup's last results in September, when 60 percent pointed to him, the poll found.

But I thought Obama was Running against Romney, not Bush? I mean if 51% are likely to blame Obama and 0% are blaming Romney I would think that bodes well for Romney.

~Matt


Romney is running on "It's Obama's fault," but most people don't believe that, according to this poll. I don't think Romney is running on "Hey, it's not my fault!"


I suppose you don't know what the word MOST means.

From the numbers you posted 51% of Independents which more than half, therefore equals MOST are blaming Obama.

Well, the subject of the discussion is propaganda.....

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