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Jul 3, 12 6:42
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...b=2040720,b=facebook
So now what? What does this answer? Now we know what everything is made of but we still don't know where it came from or what came before the big bang.
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I happen to be sitting amongst gagillions of them right now. I don't know why they have to look so hard.
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Jul 3, 12 6:52
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this may or may not answer anything, but if it pans out its one more example in the power of the scientific method and predictions made possible by the scientific method; they didnt get there by reading genesis or praying about it.
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veganerd wrote:
this may or may not answer anything, but if it pans out its one more example in the power of the scientific method and predictions made possible by the scientific method; they didnt get there by reading genesis or praying about it.
The scientific method doesn't do anything; scientists do! They are the ones who have the God-given talents to discover His works whether they acknowledge Him or not. The scientific method really doesn't have power or have you "deified" it?
Some scientists do actually pray, you know? Ever hear of Newton or Francis Collins? And Genesis (along with other books of the Bible) doesn't really address atomic masses and such. But the few facts we have in Genesis have never been refuted. In fact, science has only confirmed Genesis repeatedly! So, a goofy, inane atheistic comment here, a jab at the theists that literally has nothing to do with the "God" particle's possible discovery.
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So. when the entire universe gets sucked into the void that this experiment creates, will we know it's happening, or will it be instantaneous?
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Jul 3, 12 7:11
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Gurudriver10 wrote:
veganerd wrote:
this may or may not answer anything, but if it pans out its one more example in the power of the scientific method and predictions made possible by the scientific method; they didnt get there by reading genesis or praying about it.
The scientific method doesn't do anything; scientists do! They are the ones who have the God-given talents to discover His works whether they acknowledge Him or not. The scientific method really doesn't have power or have you "deified" it?
Some scientists do actually pray, you know? Ever hear of Newton or Francis Collins? And Genesis (along with other books of the Bible) doesn't really address atomic masses and such. But the few facts we have in Genesis have never been refuted.
In fact, science has only confirmed Genesis repeatedly!
So, a goofy, inane atheistic comment here, a jab at the theists that literally has nothing to do with the "God" particle's possible discovery.
?????????? Theists are good at rewriting things to fit their own ideas aren't they.
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Jul 3, 12 7:18
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knewbike wrote:
Gurudriver10 wrote:
veganerd wrote:
this may or may not answer anything, but if it pans out its one more example in the power of the scientific method and predictions made possible by the scientific method; they didnt get there by reading genesis or praying about it.
The scientific method doesn't do anything; scientists do! They are the ones who have the God-given talents to discover His works whether they acknowledge Him or not. The scientific method really doesn't have power or have you "deified" it?
Some scientists do actually pray, you know? Ever hear of Newton or Francis Collins? And Genesis (along with other books of the Bible) doesn't really address atomic masses and such. But the few facts we have in Genesis have never been refuted.
In fact, science has only confirmed Genesis repeatedly!
So, a goofy, inane atheistic comment here, a jab at the theists that literally has nothing to do with the "God" particle's possible discovery.
?????????? Theists are good at rewriting things to fit their own ideas aren't they.
So are atheists. People in general interpret most things according to their world view. The question to ask is, "On what do I rely for my world view? Is it consistent, coherent, complete world view, using all the relevant data?"
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Jul 3, 12 7:24
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Gurudriver10 wrote:
knewbike wrote:
Gurudriver10 wrote:
veganerd wrote:
this may or may not answer anything, but if it pans out its one more example in the power of the scientific method and predictions made possible by the scientific method; they didnt get there by reading genesis or praying about it.
The scientific method doesn't do anything; scientists do! They are the ones who have the God-given talents to discover His works whether they acknowledge Him or not. The scientific method really doesn't have power or have you "deified" it?
Some scientists do actually pray, you know? Ever hear of Newton or Francis Collins? And Genesis (along with other books of the Bible) doesn't really address atomic masses and such. But the few facts we have in Genesis have never been refuted.
In fact, science has only confirmed Genesis repeatedly!
So, a goofy, inane atheistic comment here, a jab at the theists that literally has nothing to do with the "God" particle's possible discovery.
?????????? Theists are good at rewriting things to fit their own ideas aren't they.
So are atheists. People in general interpret most things according to their world view. The question to ask is, "On what do I rely for my world view? Is it consistent, coherent, complete world view, using all the relevant data?"
No one has all the relevant data and if we did couldn't process it. Truth is we all pick and choose what we want to pay attention to and interpret it in our own way.
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Jul 3, 12 7:29
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knewbike wrote:
Gurudriver10 wrote:
knewbike wrote:
Gurudriver10 wrote:
veganerd wrote:
this may or may not answer anything, but if it pans out its one more example in the power of the scientific method and predictions made possible by the scientific method; they didnt get there by reading genesis or praying about it.
The scientific method doesn't do anything; scientists do! They are the ones who have the God-given talents to discover His works whether they acknowledge Him or not. The scientific method really doesn't have power or have you "deified" it?
Some scientists do actually pray, you know? Ever hear of Newton or Francis Collins? And Genesis (along with other books of the Bible) doesn't really address atomic masses and such. But the few facts we have in Genesis have never been refuted.
In fact, science has only confirmed Genesis repeatedly!
So, a goofy, inane atheistic comment here, a jab at the theists that literally has nothing to do with the "God" particle's possible discovery.
?????????? Theists are good at rewriting things to fit their own ideas aren't they.
So are atheists. People in general interpret most things according to their world view. The question to ask is, "On what do I rely for my world view? Is it consistent, coherent, complete world view, using all the relevant data?"
No one has all the relevant data and if we did couldn't process it. Truth is we all pick and choose what we want to pay attention to and interpret it in our own way.
You don't need ALL data to make sense of a situation. You just need all of the relevant data or as much as you can find. You and I make many decisions daily on partial information or on what we deem to be relevant.
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Jul 3, 12 7:34
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I agree with that.
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Jul 3, 12 7:37
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I agree with that.
Except he means it in completely the opposite way that you would if you said it.
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Jul 3, 12 7:54
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Except he means it in completely the opposite way that you would if you said it.
Actually I don't think he does. I honestly believe that the human mind is different enough amoungst us that we can interpret the "Relevant data" differently enough that we can come up with different conclusions of which both seem rational to both parties.
As an extreme example if we look at mental illnesses with hallucinations people actually believe they are seeing something they are not. That becomes, to them, rational "Relevant data".
What we might actually be seeing is that Guru driver is seeing something in a different enough manner that what we see as irrational and not relevant, is in fact relevant and rational to him. The question then becomes which, if either, perspective is actually closer to reality, not whether or not one or the other is seeing the relevant data.
With mental illness the mis interpretation is large enough that we can easily see that the person has strayed from reality, although many a sci-fi show has played to the opposite :-)
With "Difference of opinion" the area of discussion is often vague enough and the "Hard data" small enough that this determination is difficult to make. So while you and I might think that Gurudriver is just plain insane, it may be that we are :-)
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Jul 3, 12 8:01
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Uhh - the experiment is already done and over.
We're still here.
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Jul 3, 12 8:04
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Are we?
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Jul 3, 12 8:18
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I honestly believe that the human mind is different enough amoungst us that we can interpret the "Relevant data" differently enough that we can come up with different conclusions of which both seem rational to both parties.
Of course.
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But it does not follow that the data involved really
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Agreed, that was my point of bring up mental illness. The guy REALLY does see the pink fluffy bunny, he's convinced it exists and that data to him is extremely relevant. He's not thinking rationally and thus that data is not really relevant.
Also as I said it could very well be that one, both or all parties discussing the data are irrational/insane making the data being argued as relevant or not, possibly, complete irrelevant.
Case in point would be Guru's usage of the bible as "relevant data" in many cases where you and I would not. I would argue that in our context of knowledge that outside of a historical document similar to the Illiad that the bible is not "Relevant data". Clearly Guru does not agree with this. One can only assume that either I'm insane/irrational, Guru is insane/irrational, we both are or for some reason our knowledge base is different enough for us to both rational look at relevant data and come to different conclusions.
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Jul 3, 12 8:54
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when people can independently, from thousands of miles apart, confirm the same conclusion over and over again then it becomes clear who is the rational party.
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MJuric wrote:
Case in point would be Guru's usage of the bible as "relevant data" in many cases where you and I would not. I would argue that in our context of knowledge that outside of a historical document similar to the Illiad that the bible is not "Relevant data". Clearly Guru does not agree with this. One can only assume that either I'm insane/irrational, Guru is insane/irrational, we both are or for some reason our knowledge base is different enough for us to both rational look at relevant data and come to different conclusions.
~Matt
And we follow the data where it leads, regardless of our preconceptions or world view. As an aside, the Illiad is used as a historical reference despite being inferior to the NT in numbers of copies and approximate time span between original and copy. More copies means they can be better checked for accuracy. So, with regard to relevance and historical accuracy, the NT is ahead of all other ancient documents, the Illiad being written around 900 BC and the earliest copy at 400 BC. The NT texts are 1st Cent with the copies less than 100 years after the events. There are 643 Illiad texts but there are 5600 NT texts! The Dead Sea Scrolls only confirm the accuracy of the OT.
Now, we can debate the contents of the NT/OT all day but as a historical reference, it's unbeatable. Why is the Bible in general ignored? Bias? Also 2,000 out of 2500 prophetic statements have been confirmed over time concerning Israel and numerous other countries. Genesis has never been controverted by science and history (BB, evolution of man, nature, morality). So, I think the relevance is there on many levels. If you haven't looked at the details and their accuracy of the Bible (data) yet you lambast it, you have to ask yourself why you do so.
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Ahhh collective mental illness known as religion.
You do realize there are one billion muslims wondering WTF is your problem and asking themselves why won't you accept Allah and his prophet Muhammad already? They outnumber the members of your goofy little offshoot of Christianity you happened to have been born into.
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LOL!!! You win the funny post of the day.
Are we?
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Dilbert wrote:
Ahhh collective mental illness known as religion.
You do realize there are one billion muslims wondering WTF is your problem and asking themselves why won't you accept Allah and his prophet Muhammad already? They outnumber the members of your goofy little offshoot of Christianity you happened to have been born into.
I don't care what the Muslims think. We both can't be right!
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Are we?
Not men? We are DEVO
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Jul 3, 12 18:39
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when people can independently, from thousands of miles apart, confirm the same conclusion over and over again then it becomes clear who is the rational party.
Cool, so we agree that Christians are rational. At least that is a start.
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Jul 3, 12 19:42
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Praying to a zombie who was sometimes nice and sometimes a dick who acted as if he was sacrificing something is rational?
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"Praying to a zombie who was sometimes nice and sometimes a dick who acted as if he was sacrificing something is rational? "
Wasting your time jumping into every scientific thread with negative comments about how religion is a sham is rational?
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