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morey000
Jul 4, 12 14:45
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So what would it take for you to change your mind. i.e. what kind of evidence would it take for you to say- oh wow, maybe the universe really is 14 billion years old, the earth is 4.5 billion and humans (and every other species) evolved from some primodial goo on this planet a few billion years ago?
you can still believe that some supernatural deity set it all in motion and planned for us to evolve if you wish. I just think that the 'young earth' stuff is exceptionally blind to what we actually know about the world around us.
link5485
Jul 4, 12 15:26
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Historical reference? Patently absurd. The gospels contradict each other, and that's just the four that were cherry-picked back in the fourth century. Believe what you will, but stop pretending that you have any real evidence for it.
link5485
Jul 4, 12 15:34
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Watching you try and talk science is almost amusing. My undergrads at least realize they don't know what the hell they are talking about. The 200,000 year figure comes from dating based on known rates of mutation in mitochondrial DNA that follows the mother's lineage. It means that all of humanity is descended from one woman who lived approximately 200,000 years ago. The article you link to is talking about the oldest sample of human DNA we've actually found. If you are going to try and refute other people's assertions try to pay closer attention to your sources.
Gurudriver10
Jul 4, 12 17:18
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morey000 wrote:
So what would it take for you to change your mind. i.e. what kind of evidence would it take for you to say- oh wow, maybe the universe really is 14 billion years old, the earth is 4.5 billion and humans (and every other species) evolved from some primodial goo on this planet a few billion years ago?
you can still believe that some supernatural deity set it all in motion and planned for us to evolve if you wish. I just think that the 'young earth' stuff is exceptionally blind to what we actually know about the world around us.
What's the time span between "Let there be light" and the first day where the earth is "without form and void"? I dunno'. 10 billion years perhaps?
Gurudriver10
Jul 4, 12 17:21
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link5485 wrote:
Watching you try and talk science is almost amusing. My undergrads at least realize they don't know what the hell they are talking about. The 200,000 year figure comes from dating based on known rates of mutation in mitochondrial DNA that follows the mother's lineage. It means that all of humanity is descended from one woman who lived approximately 200,000 years ago. The article you link to is talking about the oldest sample of human DNA we've actually found. If you are going to try and refute other people's assertions try to pay closer attention to your sources.
I never said I knew exact timespans. You assert one here citing an "ancestor" from 200,000 years ago. Is there dna evidence there for that or just a projection from fragments? The oldest dna we have is 7,000 years. Just going with the data. Present more if you have it.
link5485
Jul 4, 12 17:27
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It's not a matter of knowing exact time spans. It is a matter of you drawing false equivalence between two very different pieces of data. At best you don't understand what is being discussed at worst you are deliberately dissembling.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/...rial_molecular_clock
Gurudriver10
Jul 4, 12 17:38
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link5485 wrote:
It's not a matter of knowing exact time spans. It is a matter of you drawing false equivalence between two very different pieces of data. At best you don't understand what is being discussed at worst you are deliberately dissembling.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/...rial_molecular_clock
Impressive. Don't see how that controverts Genesis?
50+
Jul 4, 12 18:04
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What's the time span between "Let there be light" and the first day where the earth is "without form and void"? I dunno'. 10 billion years perhaps?[/quote]
Are you being sarcastic?
Freelancer
Jul 4, 12 18:06
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Well, the good news is we live in a country where these debates can take place and no one gets arrested. Happy 4th everyone.
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link5485
Jul 4, 12 19:52
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You're not serious. I don't see anything about man from dust or women from ribs in there. Nor anything about seven days. Or people living several hundred years.
slowguy
Jul 4, 12 21:18
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A bit more on-topic
http://laughingsquid.com/...-subatomic-particle/
Slowguy
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knewbike
Jul 5, 12 2:40
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slowguy wrote:
A bit more on-topic
http://laughingsquid.com/...-subatomic-particle/
A nice explanation and actually useful to the topic.
50+
Jul 5, 12 4:27
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Thanks slowguy good vid. But it still doesn't tell us what it all means, Guru touched on it a bit, (time travel, unlimited free energy etc.) Will it end war? will we be able to warp time and space, travel to other planets and the big question? If we're able to to do all this what will that do to religion? Hmmm.... Guru? ;)
knewbike
Jul 5, 12 4:39
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What is this. Tag team bullshit?
50+
Jul 5, 12 4:59
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What is this. Tag team bullshit?
Chill dude I put a wink ;) at the end of my reply I'm just poking a little fun at Guru, so far he's one of the few who's given a thoughtful response to my OP. Actualy so were you :)
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knewbike
Jul 5, 12 5:31
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Sorry. Coffee and tapering don't mix.
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Jul 5, 12 5:41
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knewbike wrote:
Sorry. Coffee and tapering don't mix.
No kidding bin there done that, try beer...lol
LorenzoP
Jul 5, 12 7:17
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my hunch is that the difference between the subtlest 'thing' that science has discovered so far - and what science will discover in the future - -
is like the difference between a brick and the subtlest 'thing' science will discover in the future.
This discovery of so-called god particles is going to go on a long long time . . .
MJuric
Jul 5, 12 8:07
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And we follow the data where it leads, regardless of our preconceptions or world view
I would agree, but the problem is that our preconceptions of our world view dictates not only what we consider to be data, but also where that data leads. If both you and I look at the same stop light and you perceive to see red and I perceive to see green I will drive thru the intersection while you will wait for the light to change. Same data two completely different paths.
It is not until such point that all the data known has been fully explored can we know with certainty that all the possible directions have been followed and the "Correct" answers and ends of every path have been found.
You see the bible very differently than I and no amount of arguing over it's relevance as data will change that. Why this is is likely deeply seated in some other factors that have nothing to do with religion.
~Matt
manitou820
Jul 5, 12 14:57
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The Higgs Boson walks into a church. The Priest says we don't allow Higgs Bosons in here.
The Higgs Boson says but without me how can you have mass.
veganerd
Jul 5, 12 15:00
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manitou820 wrote:
The Higgs Boson walks into a church. The Priest says we don't allow Higgs Bosons in here.
The Higgs Boson says but without me how can you have mass.
i like it.
a couple of physicists walk into a bar,
oh wait, wrong frame of reference.....
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Freelancer
Jul 6, 12 3:18
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This serves no pupose for the debate, I just thought it an interesting find.. now I'm a more educated specatator. (Not a response to veganerd, just the board in general. Interesting to see which, if any, of these methods are employeed in the various discussions).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
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veganerd
Jul 6, 12 6:11
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Ive posted lists before. No one really seems to care unfortunately.
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BLeP
Jul 6, 12 8:41
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veganerd wrote:
Ive posted lists before. No one really seems to care unfortunately.
Out of curiousity, how many ST converts do you have to your views? Any? If not, why do you continue to lecture everyone daily? Doesn't it get tiresome/frustrating? Why do you care so much if people believe in God?
How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
veganerd
Jul 6, 12 9:08
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Out of curiousity, how many ST converts do you have to your views? Any? If not, why do you continue to lecture everyone daily? Doesn't it get tiresome/frustrating? Why do you care so much if people believe in God?
there is one in particular who still believes in god but changed their mind on gay marriage as a result of my posts. thats an excellent start.
also, if you read carefully, i dont care what anyone believes in. believe in god all you want, just keep that nonsense to yourself. keep it away from the science classroom, out of legislation,politics and other peoples bedrooms and we will get along just fine.
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