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Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET
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Apparently Eminem rapped about Trump at a BET show. I've seen several articles calling it "lethal" and other superlatives. Since when did ranting about someone in a performance become lethal or a takedown?


"Eminem took it to another level in his latest blistering 4.5-minute freestyle takedown."

Also, isn't rap the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women? Seems kind of ironic that their music contributes in some way to the problems that cause young black men to get arrested, but Trump is the problem.

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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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Here is one review

Eminem unleashed pure vitriolic venom towards President Donald Drump during a four-minute freestyle at the BET Hip-Hop Awards.


“Racist 94-year-old grandpa,” “The Thing,” “We Hate Trump,” were just some of the niceties that Eminem let loose during last night’s broadcast of the 2017 BET Hip-Hop Awards. In a segment for “The Cypher,” Em did more damage to President Donald Drumpf’s ego in four minutes than any TV news analyst could do in an hour.




It was a highly anticipated moment from the D12 MC better known as Marshall Mathers, as everyone sat on the edge of their seat wondering just how deep would he get. Trust us, if you haven’t seen it, watch it now because it is totally worth it. Called “The Storm,” every barb was a lightning shock to the face and each menacing “eff you” was felt like a rumbling thunder boom.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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Irrespective of whether he is right or wrong, dylan won a nobel for song lyrics. Eminem speaks to a generation in the same way dylan did / does

I watched it. I thought it was very clever, that he is articulate and speaks of many peoples issues with trump

Rap glorifies violence against women in the same way that english literature - dickens - glorified robbery, that it glorified the subjugation of entire countries - kipling etc

Saying one thing glorifies another as a generalisation is idiotic. Some of it does and some of it doesnt
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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Also, isn't rap the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?

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Also, isn't writing the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?

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Also, isn't movies the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?

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Also, isn't photography the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?

Do you see a problem with the generality you made?




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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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rick_pcfl wrote:

Also, isn't rap the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?


Yes, that's the art form that does that.


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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
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Also, isn't rap the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?


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Also, isn't writing the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?


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Also, isn't movies the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?


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Also, isn't photography the art form that glorifies violence and shabby treatment of women?


Do you see a problem with the generality you made?

So, you're saying that rap songs don't promote violence any more so than photography or other music? Really?
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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So, you're saying that rap songs don't promote violence any more so than photography or other music? Really?

More than photography? Not even close. More than other music? Maybe. Regardless how much rap do you think doesnt promote violence? Do you know there are thousands of christian rappers? Muslim rappers? Childrens rappers, Etc. Rap is as ecompassing as saying "painting" there are numerous styles and subjects covered.




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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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You read several articles about this topic? Really? Your post strikes me as someone who is being willfully ignorant of a large segment of the US and world population.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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It's ludicrous. It's not exactly a secret that rap, as a genre, has a problem with objectifying and degrading women. And if people want to play obtuse, Eminem specifically has a well-known, undeniable history of problematic lyrics about women.

It's a crazy world when some degenerate rapper with a history of misogynistic, homophobic lyrics can (credibly) hold himself out their as morally outraged by the president of the United States. And sad but not surprising that people will hypocritically defend him because they share his hatred of Trump.








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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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vitus979 wrote:
It's ludicrous. It's not exactly a secret that rap, as a genre, has a problem with objectifying and degrading women. And if people want to play obtuse, Eminem specifically has a well-known, undeniable history of problematic lyrics about women.

It's a crazy world when some degenerate rapper with a history of misogynistic, homophobic lyrics can (credibly) hold himself out their as morally outraged by the president of the United States. And sad but not surprising that people will hypocritically defend him because they share his hatred of Trump.

What's even sadder is that the misogynistic homophobic celebrity still holds the moral high ground in an ethics contest with the president. (and probably in an IQ contest too)

We are so fucked.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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vitus979 wrote:
It's ludicrous. It's not exactly a secret that rap, as a genre, has a problem with objectifying and degrading women. And if people want to play obtuse, Eminem specifically has a well-known, undeniable history of problematic lyrics about women.

It's a crazy world when some degenerate rapper with a history of misogynistic, homophobic lyrics can (credibly) hold himself out their as morally outraged by the president of the United States. And sad but not surprising that people will hypocritically defend him because they share his hatred of Trump.


How have eminems views evolved through the years? It sounds like you know, and you would if you listened to his music or read interviews.

Also, do you know his stance on homophobia?




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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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I am not sure what is harder listening to one of Trumps speeches or sitting through that video.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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I do listen to some of his music. He is talented, and I like some of his music. I don't make a special attempt to keep tabs on how his world view is evolving, no.

Would you be defending some social conservative who wrote and performed the same lyrics?

No, you wouldn't. You're a hypocrite.








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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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What's even sadder is that the misogynistic homophobic celebrity still holds the moral high ground in an ethics contest with the president. (and probably in an IQ contest too)

Definitely has the better vocabulary by a wide margin.




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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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vitus979 wrote:
I do listen to some of his music. He is talented, and I like some of his music. I don't make a special attempt to keep tabs on how his world view is evolving, no.

Would you be defending some social conservative who wrote and performed the same lyrics?

No, you wouldn't. You're a hypocrite.

You think i have a problem defending someone on an issue they are right about, if i generally disagree with them? Really?




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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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rick_pcfl wrote:
Apparently Eminem rapped about Trump at a BET show. I've seen several articles calling it "lethal" and other superlatives. Since when did ranting about someone in a performance become lethal or a takedown

That boy is simply bringing awareness through his art. He's down with the struggle.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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I think you are an obvious hypocrite. Really.

This isn't even the only current thread in which you're displaying your hypocrisy.








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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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I tend to agree with the overall point you are trying to make, but my head isn't in the sand when considering one man's misogynistic, homophobic speech is another man's locker room talk. You didn't need to put Eminem and Trump on the scales for this argument. I think that says more about your biases than others.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [getcereal] [ In reply to ]
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getcereal wrote:
I am not sure what is harder listening to one of Trumps speeches or sitting through that video.

Yeah, I like some of Eminem's stuff but that video was like some weird disjointed poetry slam or something.
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vitus979 wrote:
I think you are an obvious hypocrite. Really.

This isn't even the only current thread in which you're displaying your hypocrisy.


By all means put my hypoctisy on display, because youll have a hard time finding some.

What exactly are you claiming im being a hypocrite about here?




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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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my head isn't in the sand when considering one man's misogynistic, homophobic speech is another man's locker room talk.

Nor is mine. I even said the rapper's claim to the moral high ground is credible.

I think that says more about your biases than others.

What do you think it says about my biases?









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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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WelshinPhilly wrote:
getcereal wrote:
I am not sure what is harder listening to one of Trumps speeches or sitting through that video.


Yeah, I like some of Eminem's stuff but that video was like some weird disjointed poetry slam or something.

If it were completely free style it would be good, but I don't think that was the first time he said it.

And I never get the talk about 'so and so destroys the bad guy'. Sure, if you already agree with them you like it, but how often do any of these takedowns, etc actually have an impact or are remembered for more than 2 days.

We are so fucked.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
Also, do you know his stance on homophobia?

He basically says that his (persistent) use of homophobic slurs is simply the misunderstood manifestation of the persona he portrays on his albums. The real 'slim shady' completely supports gay marriage and, "don't have a problem with nobody". It is amazing that people continue to be critical of this national treasure.
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Re: Eminem's "lethal Trump cypher" on BET [gotsand] [ In reply to ]
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gotsand wrote:
veganerd wrote:
Also, do you know his stance on homophobia?


He basically says that his (persistent) use of homophobic slurs is simply the misunderstood manifestation of the persona he portrays on his albums. The real 'slim shady' completely supports gay marriage and, "don't have a problem with nobody". It is amazing that people continue to be critical of this national treasure.

Essentially, the Hulk Hogan defense.
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