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Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario!
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We had a few Ford free years, but just when you thought the coast might be clear - Doug Ford jumps back into politics. First it was a run for the Mayor's job in Toronto, that he was already illegally campaigning for, then after maybe the wildest week ever, in Ontario politics, Doug now says he's running for the leadership of the Ontario Progressive Conservative party - https://tvo.org/...d#comment-3733992685 And after that, if he wins the leadership (yikes), a provincial election in 100 days!

Like Trump, with Doug in the game, there will be almost daily comedic relief and many face-palm moments. Also like Trump, to just dismiss him as a populist, blowhard buffoon, would be a mistake. Not that I would support him in ANY, way. I just know that, the Fords tap into a group of voters, like Trump does, that is really hard to explain in normal political terms.

For our American friends, Doug Ford is the brother of the late Rob Ford, former Mayor of Toronto - who had a fondness for crack cocaine and drunken stupors!


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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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When I heard he was jumping in my hand met my face. All the usual stick about "the party elites won't like me running" etc

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Kindness in another's troubles, courage in one's own
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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He does remind me of Trump in some ways, but in a kinder more reserved Canadian sort of way.
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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I officially hate clowns.
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
He does remind me of Trump in some ways, but in a kinder more reserved Canadian sort of way.

What? He insults and then says sorry, or does he say sorry and then insult you? The only thing missing from this race is a criminal, what's Conrad Black up to these days?
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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The sad part is, people don't vote FOR anything anymore, they vote against things... and with what's going on in Ontario politics right now, he'll probably win...

What, 8 million people in Ontario and he's the best the Cons can come up with, you guys probably deserve him!
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [snoots] [ In reply to ]
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snoots wrote:
The sad part is, people don't vote FOR anything anymore, they vote against things... and with what's going on in Ontario politics right now, he'll probably win...

What, 8 million people in Ontario and he's the best the Cons can come up with, you guys probably deserve him!

He's thrown his name into the hat but I seriously doubt he will get the nomination. Same can be said for Mulroney's daughter. They didn't call her old man lyin' Brian for nothing so I can't see her having a serious shot either.
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
snoots wrote:
The sad part is, people don't vote FOR anything anymore, they vote against things... and with what's going on in Ontario politics right now, he'll probably win...

What, 8 million people in Ontario and he's the best the Cons can come up with, you guys probably deserve him!


He's thrown his name into the hat but I seriously doubt he will get the nomination. Same can be said for Mulroney's daughter. They didn't call her old man lyin' Brian for nothing so I can't see her having a serious shot either.

Caroline has the same thing that Justin did - a name that old - read: voters - people recognize... the strategists might just try and capitalize on it, though frankly I think that if she was interested, she'd go federal politics... 1st female Prime Minister and all that (yeah, yeah, I know, Kim Campbell...lol)

Interesting how Shear seems to be waning...may be changes on the horizon, ahead o' an election...
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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The conservatives were almost a shoe-in before this scandal. There were so many people upset with Wynne, it was an easy election win for them as many people still are angry with the NDP for the Bob Rae years. . However if Doug Ford is running, I don't think it will be so easy.


I really don't like the NDP, but I feel as if that may be the best solution for a poor group of candidates.
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Ghost234] [ In reply to ]
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The conservatives were almost a shoe-in before this scandal. There were so many people upset with Wynne, it was an easy election win for them as many people still are angry with the NDP for the Bob Rae years.


I'm a Liberal - but a centrist Liberal who can see to the other side, and even I'll admit that, everything WAS lining up for the PC's for a win. Wynne is NOT popular and like any party that has been governing for this long, there is a great deal of fatigue among voters for the Liberal Party. They want change, and they don't really care what that change is or what it's going to do.

I had some suspicions about Patrick Brown - NOT about what eventually came out, but at a more personal level. I've had the opportunity, to meet him a few times via business events and social events that I've been to I have political friends who know him very well. The couple of times I was introduced to him, I was introduced as "Steve the Liberal", and he just brushed me off and almost completely ignored me in the conversation. Yet, I'm the kind of guy, he needs to win over!

Anyway, that's all done now.


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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [snoots] [ In reply to ]
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The sad part is, people don't vote FOR anything anymore, they vote against things... and with what's going on in Ontario politics right now, he'll probably win...

That and people vote for personalities.

In the Philippines, a beauty pageant winner, actor or athlete (Manny Pacquiao is a Senator in the Philippines and a possible future Presidential candidate) are good bets to get elected. In the U.S., Trump is wealthy and famous for being on t.v and people fell for that.Oprah was considered a strong potential candidate simply because she is famous, absolutely zero political background.

I'm hoping against hope that Canada has more sense but I have a sinking feeling we could do the same, ignoring pesky things like experience and personal character and voting for someone famous. I hope that trends stop.



You're such a Trump ball washer! - Duffy - Feb 8, 17 13:18
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
The sad part is, people don't vote FOR anything anymore, they vote against things... and with what's going on in Ontario politics right now, he'll probably win...

That and people vote for personalities.

In the Philippines, a beauty pageant winner, actor or athlete (Manny Pacquiao is a Senator in the Philippines and a possible future Presidential candidate) are good bets to get elected. In the U.S., Trump is wealthy and famous for being on t.v and people fell for that.Oprah was considered a strong potential candidate simply because she is famous, absolutely zero political background.

I'm hoping against hope that Canada has more sense but I have a sinking feeling we could do the same, ignoring pesky things like experience and personal character and voting for someone famous. I hope that trends stop.



Umm didn't we already kinda do that? What experience did JT have? Wasn't he just a good looking kid with a famous name?




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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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One of the leading contenders for leader was a guy who was mayor of North Bay and has a lot of political experience. Pretty much rejected out of hand by the chattering class because he is a man. He has now announced he is going to focus entirely on being interm leader and cleaning house for the good of party

Adam Brown wasn't my favourite guy and I am a habitual PC voter. He seemed a flip flopper. Nevertheless I think it is sad that he got nothing anyway near due process. I personally know a few politicians and I don't think people appreciate how much of a slog it can be for a decent person. Maybe that is why we get so many oddballs.

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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [len] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know why people were so down on Christine Elliot. Wife of the late Jim Flaherty. She ran for leader of the Ontario PCs and lost both times. I don't get it, she's actually competent.

Anyway, I was set to vote for Brown. Now I have no idea. If it's Ford I won't be voting PC. I never vote NDP and I won't vote for Wynne.

Is there a Marxist-Leninist candidate?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Do what we are doing in PEI and go Green!
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]
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Zenmaster28 wrote:
Do what we are doing in PEI and go Green!

You guys are just obsessed with Green Gables aren't you? Even going as far as voting for the Green party simply because of the name...

Pathetic.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]
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Zenmaster28 wrote:
Do what we are doing in PEI and go Green!

we are going green in a few months, NSLC will be selling it at select locations.

Oh, wait, you meant politics. My bad....

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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
Zenmaster28 wrote:
Do what we are doing in PEI and go Green!


You guys are just obsessed with Green Gables aren't you? Even going as far as voting for the Green party simply because of the name...

Pathetic.

We have to keep coming up with new ways to entice the Japanese tourists to come back every year.
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
Zenmaster28 wrote:
Do what we are doing in PEI and go Green!


we are going green in a few months, NSLC will be selling it at select locations.

Oh, wait, you meant politics. My bad....

Moose green? I think that's been available for a while. You should try to keep up.
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, by the way, I heard that PEI has finally got high speed internet. Good work. When are you getting rid of dial up?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Christine Elliott sounds like a good choice. My understanding is she resigned as a MPP after Patrick Brown won leadership. Understandably as I think Patrick road a wave of populist support to defeat a leadership bid that should have been hers. I hope she decides to come back. I agree Ford is a buffoon.

Life is full of froth and trouble, two things stand in stone
Kindness in another's troubles, courage in one's own
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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No, no you heard wrong, we are just planning on it. My internet speeds feel very dialup-esque most days.
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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [50+] [ In reply to ]
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Umm didn't we already kinda do that? What experience did JT have? Wasn't he just a good looking kid with a famous name?


Yes that was the knock on JT - was lack of experience, but it was incorrect, and simply used as a negative tactic by Stephen Harper and the Conservatives.

On the contrary to being inexperienced - Trudeau, trained in school to be a Teacher and served as a teacher for a number of years. People in politics tell me, great teachers, make for good politicians.

Next he was elected as an MP and served as a back-bencher in parliament for a few years. Then ran for Leader of the Liberals, which he won. He then got to serve, not as the Opposition Leader ( a high profile role) - but the Leader of the 3rd Party in the House for a few years - a humbling role. During this time, he traveled the country extensively, doing Town Halls taking completely unfiltered questions from anyone (and often getting verbally beat up in the process) focusing on areas of the country that the Liberals were week in - Western Canada, and the suburban Toronto area.

So in total prior to actually being the PM, he had about 15 years of good experience and training to reach that point!

He's also savvy enough to know that while being a famous PM's son, he knows that, that also comes with a negative side as well, and he accepts that, and adjusts accordingly.


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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [len] [ In reply to ]
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Christine Elliott sounds like a good choice. My understanding is she resigned as a MPP after Patrick Brown won leadership. Understandably as I think Patrick road a wave of populist support to defeat a leadership bid that should have been hers. I hope she decides to come back. I agree Ford is a buffoon.


Looks like a 3-way race is set between between, Christine Elliot, Caroline Mulroney, and Doug Ford.

Elliot and Mulroney will split the traditional and red-Tory Conservatives within the party, Ford will appeal to, . . . well . . anyone who, really has no idea what the meaning of the word hypocrisy is! Ford's already been caught in flip-flop hypocrisy.

Elliot would be considered the safest bet - loads of political experience. Mulroney (Daughter of former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney), is new to the game, but is smart, well educated (Harvard) and has been a very successful corporate lawyer.

Doug Ford is a buffoon, but I've noticed a change. He seems to have toned it all down. He's not been as bombastic, and pit-bullish, in the few public appearances so far - but it's still early days. Doug has a notoriously short fuse and thin skin - can he keep the anger, emotion, and pettiness in check? He also can weave this ridiculous and complicated stories, and get easily caught out on something he said just a few days before. And which of his former high school hash and marjuna customers will come forward with a tell-all!


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Re: Doug Ford - Trump-Lite for Ontario! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Doug Ford also lacks his brothers connection with the average joe.

Say what you will about Rob Ford, one thing he did well (even when he should have been spending his time, you know, actually running the city) was connect with the people. He would answer phone calls, emails, knocks on his door from any of his constituents.

Its a good part of the reason why so many people were dismissive of any bad news regarding Ford.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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