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A question for all the Trump haters
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Let's pretend that you get your wish and Trump either resigns or is impeached, and Pence is now the president. What will you do then, when an actual conservative Republican is president instead of whatever Trump is? Will we get 10 new anti-Pence threads every day instead of 5 new anti-Trump threads??

This question is coming from someone who voted for Trump in November, but not in the primary. The two choices we were left with were pathetic, the Dems anointed Hillary and conspired to make sure she was the nominee, and the Rs allowed such a crowded field that anyone sensible couldn't move forward and all they were left with was a buffoon.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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justgeorge wrote:
Let's pretend that you get your wish and Trump either resigns or is impeached, and Pence is now the president. What will you do then, when an actual conservative Republican is president instead of whatever Trump is? Will we get 10 new anti-Pence threads every day instead of 5 new anti-Trump threads??

This question is coming from someone who voted for Trump in November, but not in the primary. The two choices we were left with were pathetic, the Dems anointed Hillary and conspired to make sure she was the nominee, and the Rs allowed such a crowded field that anyone sensible couldn't move forward and all they were left with was a buffoon.

More like 20. Trump is just a warm up. Pence will be an absolute embarrassment to the modern world.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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The problem is the line of succession behind Trump. For the most part, they all suck.

To be fair, the other party is not good either.

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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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I'm guessing maybe half of the people posting anti-Trump would have voted for another Republican over Hillary. The transparent lunacy and unpreparedness of Donald Trump for that role pushed me to vote against him, and for Hillary. I'd have happily voted for Kasich (whom I supported in the primary), and reluctantly for the majority of the GOP field, against either Hillary or Bernie. So let's not pretend Trump is your average Republican and that the response to the chaos he brought to the Presidency is mere partisanship.

Pence's brand of Midwest evangelical conservatism isn't my cup of tea, but there are bigger things at stake than domestic social policy.

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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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 - look who's complaining

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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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I doubt Trump would be gone right away. It will be close to or after elections, so chances are there will be at least a democratic senate. Then he will either move towards the center or he will be a lame duck and get nothing done.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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I'd have happily voted for Kasich

That's great, but Kasich isn't vice president.

I'm already seeing "Pence is literally Hitler" memes on facebook.









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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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They'd go after Pence and not stop until he was gone. Anyone with an R next to their name is the enemy and must be destroyed.

Trump spent 4 decades in public life and not once did I ever hear he was a racist, sexist, nazi-fascist-Hitler until 2016.

Pence hates the gays so I'd expect a huge gathering of screaming gay people somewhere at least once a month.



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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Two ways to look at it. Had Pence been elected, yeah, there'd likely be a big anti-Pence presence here, but I doubt it would look anything like the forum today. He'd be wildly unpopular, but relatively boring.

But, we're talking about a hypothetical in which Trump exits stage left, leaving President Pence in that massive sucking void. Yeah, people would still bitch and moan, but it wouldn't have the existential crisis feel to it that tends to consume bandwidth like a fat kid with a Boost slushie.


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I'm already seeing "Pence is literally Hitler" memes on facebook.

You have facebook friends?

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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Didn't vote for either party, and I would be happy do see T gone. Pence? While I may not agree with his views, he is at least competent with executive government experience. It's a bigly step up from the current situation.
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But, we're talking about a hypothetical in which Trump exits stage left, leaving President Pence in that massive sucking void. Yeah, people would still bitch and moan, but it wouldn't have the existential crisis feel to it that tends to consume bandwidth like a fat kid with a Boost slushie.

Bonus points for the Boost slushie reference, but you lose all of them for being dead wrong.

It no longer matters who takes over for Trump if Trump is forced out. The people who have been bitching and moaning the most have invested their identity in the effort. They are Progressives. They are The Resistance. They are Antifa. Their identity can't handle simple victory. They'd be lost, adrift. No, they're just going to turn their attention and all their self-indulgent, asinine outrage over every minor thing to the next available target, and that's Pence, and after him, Ryan, and so on.

Most of them aren't really opposed to Trump on any real grounds of principle, but just because they think he gives them an opportunity to wail over social injustice. They're not going to stop.

I really want a Boost slushie now. And a pretzel.








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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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justgeorge wrote:
Let's pretend that you get your wish and Trump either resigns or is impeached, and Pence is now the president. What will you do then, when an actual conservative Republican is president instead of whatever Trump is? Will we get 10 new anti-Pence threads every day instead of 5 new anti-Trump threads??

This question is coming from someone who voted for Trump in November, but not in the primary. The two choices we were left with were pathetic, the Dems anointed Hillary and conspired to make sure she was the nominee, and the Rs allowed such a crowded field that anyone sensible couldn't move forward and all they were left with was a buffoon.

If Pence takes over Angela Merkel will still be the leader of the free world.


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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Part of what I like about Trump is that he doesn't know how to pull all the levers to make the machine run.

Part of what I would prefer about Pence over Trump is that Pence may understand better about the importance of the machine. But he would be better at getting policies in that I would not like.

Best case scenario for me, a neutered and incompetent Trump that all the Republicans flee but he still drags all the Republicans into the deepest pits of hell. (not really, but you'd be disappointed without some venom)

We are so fucked.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Of course i would attack Pence. I think he is a dangerous man. I would be going ape shit angry over Hillary as well.

Politics is a fight. It's not what the West Wing tried to make it out to be. I don't understand the play nice philosophy of politics. It is a game of power and power never leads to good.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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It is puzzling how a man whose views would likely be quite mainstream in America 30 years ago is now so bad that its like he is the end of the world. Do most of you have parents who were such bad people. Not directed at vitus just an observation on the likely reaction to Pence being President.

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I'd have happily voted for Kasich

That's great, but Kasich isn't vice president.

I'm already seeing "Pence is literally Hitler" memes on facebook.

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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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I wouldn't say I'm a Trump hater, but I certainly don't like him (I think he's a fraud, plain and simple; a snake oil salesman who somehow has inveigiled himself into the WH).

Pence will inevitably attract criticism from the left, just as pretty much any Dem President will attract criticism from the right. That's just how it is, and how it will stay until the US loses some of its heavy polarisation. If Pence pursues some of his apparently more extreme conservative positions then the outcry will very loud, but then the same woud be true if Sanders was in the WH implementing some socialist policies.

I assume that the GOP could have - if it has wished to - avoided ending up with Trump as the nominee and avoided ending up with Pence as the VP. If there is a problem with either of those, it is a problem that was avoidable.
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Yes but those people are not the leader of the free world and while they agree with him they are not like him. The older people in my life who agree with his policies are just better people. They are kind, understanding and want to learn things.
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I'm guessing maybe half of the people posting anti-Trump would have voted for another Republican over Hillary. The transparent lunacy and unpreparedness of Donald Trump for that role pushed me to vote against him, and for Hillary. I'd have happily voted for Kasich (whom I supported in the primary), and reluctantly for the majority of the GOP field, against either Hillary or Bernie. So let's not pretend Trump is your average Republican and that the response to the chaos he brought to the Presidency is mere partisanship.

Pence's brand of Midwest evangelical conservatism isn't my cup of tea, but there are bigger things at stake than domestic social policy.

this feels about in line with my own thoughts. i think pence would still attract
a) the usual partisan criticism that always runs from one side to the other
b) the baseline of criticism that every president should expect

but my sense is that except for people who gleefully enjoy the madness, most people would probably rather be debating actual policy than debating 02:00 tweets. and a pence presidency would probably be back to the more mundane 'business as usual' criticism.

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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Sure people would still bitch, probably mostly about policy and such whereas right now it's mostly about the incompetent buffoonery of Trump.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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I'd be quite satisfied to only disagree with a POTUS on policy matters.

Somehow, I don't think a Pence WH would be the circus that the Trump WH is.

About me: There were probably 10 people I would have voted for before Hillary in the election, and 14 before Trump.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Pence would be nowhere near the top of my list for a President, and I will probably bitch and complain some about his evangelical approach to everything. I think personal religion should be left out of politics altogether. That said, I would breathe a little easier if it were Pence sitting in the chair making national security decisions vs Trump. I think we have to ride this Trump wave into 2018 at a minimum however. The Republicans in Congress are dragging their feet.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Let's pretend that you get your wish and Trump either resigns or is impeached, and Pence is now the president. What will you do then, when an actual conservative Republican is president instead of whatever Trump is?


Indeed, if you are a liberal, and I am one, it's a challenging situation. Get rid of Trump and you get Pence. Trump is incoherent and incompetent, but politically, he's a bit of an enigma - really. Is he really a Republican/Conservative? Pence on the other hand - there's no question. He's at edge of the far right of the Republican Party - some of the stuff he has stood behind and championed in the past is down-right neanderthal!

I've seen some opinions expressed in comments sections and even by some pundits, that with all the chaos and craziness that Trump brings to the White House, that, the upside for liberals, and the Democrats is that, the whole of the Republican agenda get's held up by all the craziness. So just leave Trump in there and wait it out until at least 2018, where the mid-terms will send a clear message, that Trump and the Republicans are on the wrong path, with a complete ouster coming in 2020. At least, that way it will be the ouster of Trump and the Republicans by the most basic and fundamental democrat tools we have - voting and the ballot box!


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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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here is my problem with trump and pence and ryan and all the republicans. and i'm willing to hear and accept the counter-argument and, in fact, want to hear it. because it's in my interest to hear it.

what we see now is a drain of wealth and buying power from every class but the highest of the upper class. wealth is flowing upward and it is flowing upward with a tax rate that is substantially lower when america was "great".

if republicans get what they want that's good for me in the short term, but if you look at what's going on in the other forum they all think triathlon is getting too expensive. they can't do the sport any longer. people are really feeling the pinch. what happens when interest rates to up again? i sure hope everybody's locked into fixed rate mortgages, because even at 4.4 percent unemployment of whatever it is everybody is barely scraping by paycheck to paycheck... except the wealthy.

we know that supply side economics doesn't work and please don't insult my intelligence and try to blow that smoke up my skirt again.

so we have this problem: fairness in the tax code doesn't work. at some point it's 1789 and its paris and we begin to tear hedge fund managers limb from limb. at some point we elect bernie in a landslide because we finally get to that point.

if anybody can tell me how we can lower tax rates for the wealthy to make the tax code fair to them while still staunching the upward suck of wealth out of the hands of 90 percent of americans and into the hands of the top 10 percent, i'm all in!

but i can't see that. hence my problem with the republicans, regardless whether its trump or pence at the top. i just don't see a good end to that trajectory.


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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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vitus979 wrote:

But, we're talking about a hypothetical in which Trump exits stage left, leaving President Pence in that massive sucking void. Yeah, people would still bitch and moan, but it wouldn't have the existential crisis feel to it that tends to consume bandwidth like a fat kid with a Boost slushie.

Bonus points for the Boost slushie reference, but you lose all of them for being dead wrong.

It no longer matters who takes over for Trump if Trump is forced out. The people who have been bitching and moaning the most have invested their identity in the effort. They are Progressives. They are The Resistance. They are Antifa. Their identity can't handle simple victory. They'd be lost, adrift. No, they're just going to turn their attention and all their self-indulgent, asinine outrage over every minor thing to the next available target, and that's Pence, and after him, Ryan, and so on.

Most of them aren't really opposed to Trump on any real grounds of principle, but just because they think he gives them an opportunity to wail over social injustice. They're not going to stop.

I really want a Boost slushie now. And a pretzel.

Here in Tennessee they have started to go after our Senators and Representatives. And it's really classic Barack Obama type stuff. Meaning, when you can't win elections, you destroy the opposition.

Who do The Resistance want? Well, they have no clue who they want but they sure as shit know who they don't want.
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Re: A question for all the Trump haters [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Before the election I assured my Democratic friends that America would survive a Trump presidency and I assured my Republican friends that America would survive a Clinton presidency. While I disagree with almost every position Pence holds at least he understands how government works and the impotence of the job. Trump's main talent is self-promotion. He is entirely out of his depth as president and so far seems to have no interest in growing into it. He keeps trying to bluster and fake his way through.
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