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A look into the US if Bernie got his way...
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http://www.reuters.com/...-bread-idUSKBN16O09Z

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Venezuela this week arrested four bakers making illegal brownies and other pastries as President Nicolas Maduro's socialist government threatens to take over bakeries in Caracas as part of a new "bread war".

Maduro has sent inspectors and soldiers into more than 700 bakeries around the capital this week to enforce a rule that 90 percent of wheat must be destined to loaves rather than more expensive pastries and cakes.


There are shortages of bread and wheat.

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During this week's inspections, two men were arrested as their bakery was using too much wheat in sweet bread, ham-filled croissants and other products, the state Superintendency of Fair Prices said in a statement sent to media on Thursday.


Superintendency of Fair Prices...

Um, ok.


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"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, because the US is exactly like Venezuela...

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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nslckevin wrote:
Yeah, because the US is exactly like Venezuela...

Socialism is socialism. Fails every time it's tried.

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When no one listens anymore?"
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Are you starting to regret your Feel the Bern tattoo???




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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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nslckevin wrote:
Yeah, because the US is exactly like Venezuela...

If Bernie had his way, it would be.

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When no one listens anymore?"
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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nslckevin wrote:
Yeah, because the US is exactly like Venezuela...

It certainly will be if we don't protect our border from the anti-racists. The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Then govt can't keep promises with words so hey use force. It always happens and eventually wil in Europe maybe even here.


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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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That really looks like i should be super imposed on a picture of a Penis.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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It certainly will be if we don't protect our border from the anti-racists. The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Then govt can't keep promises with words so hey use force. It always happens and eventually wil in Europe maybe even here.


So, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, all of Scandinavia and all of Europe are all headed down the wrong road? We've got this all wrong? Disaster is eminent?


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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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The US is a socialist country. Public expenditures on healthcare in the US are equal to all expenditures on healthcare per capita in Canada. You have large numbers of kids on school lunch programs. Schools are largely run by governments. The government provides pensions (social security) to its citizens. Corporate tax rates are higher than many other countries. When the great recession hit large groups of the population were on unemployment for long period of time, like over a year. You are a socialist country. Get over it.

Duffy wrote:
nslckevin wrote:
Yeah, because the US is exactly like Venezuela...


Socialism is socialism. Fails every time it's tried.
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [len] [ In reply to ]
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Some of us want to reverse the trend, ok?








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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
The US is a socialist country. Public expenditures on healthcare in the US are equal to all expenditures on healthcare per capita in Canada. You have large numbers of kids on school lunch programs. Schools are largely run by governments. The government provides pensions (social security) to its citizens. Corporate tax rates are higher than many other countries. When the great recession hit large groups of the population were on unemployment for long period of time, like over a year. You are a socialist country. Get over it.

Duffy wrote:
nslckevin wrote:
Yeah, because the US is exactly like Venezuela...


Socialism is socialism. Fails every time it's tried.

And all of the above socialist programs are a failure or could be handled much more efficiently if the Feds got out of the way.

Health care - obviously it's fucked up

Schools - The state of public education in this country borders on criminal. Even the "best" school districts are horrific (if the goal is education).

School lunch - Have you seen what they serve? The school lunch program is really just a government give away to politically connected food suppliers.

Social Security - It's broke.

Corporate tax rates - Theft (and they will be reduced under Trump and would have been increased greatly if Bernie got his way)

Unemployment - long term UE benefits have contributed greatly to the sluggish "recovery" of the last decade. Hunger is a great motivator.

Can you name some US socialist programs that are successful? That are better than the private sector could do?

"What are words for,
When no one listens anymore?"
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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TheForge wrote:
That really looks like i should be super imposed on a picture of a Penis.

theforge super imposed on a picture of a penis? well that escalated fast...
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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axlsix3 wrote:
TheForge wrote:
That really looks like i should be super imposed on a picture of a Penis.


theforge super imposed on a picture of a penis? well that escalated fast...

Obviously women would get even more turned on if their hubby's penis had a tattoo of theforge on it - he is the alpha of all alpha males. I bet even Chuck Norris would tattoo a picture of theforge on his penis.
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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So you have established that Americans are particularly bad at running gov't programs. I'll give you that. My point isn't socialism is all good. Neither would it be capitalism all bad. Almost all successful countries have a mixture of both.


Duffy wrote:
len wrote:
The US is a socialist country. Public expenditures on healthcare in the US are equal to all expenditures on healthcare per capita in Canada. You have large numbers of kids on school lunch programs. Schools are largely run by governments. The government provides pensions (social security) to its citizens. Corporate tax rates are higher than many other countries. When the great recession hit large groups of the population were on unemployment for long period of time, like over a year. You are a socialist country. Get over it.

Duffy wrote:
nslckevin wrote:
Yeah, because the US is exactly like Venezuela...


Socialism is socialism. Fails every time it's tried.


And all of the above socialist programs are a failure or could be handled much more efficiently if the Feds got out of the way.

Health care - obviously it's fucked up

Schools - The state of public education in this country borders on criminal. Even the "best" school districts are horrific (if the goal is education).

School lunch - Have you seen what they serve? The school lunch program is really just a government give away to politically connected food suppliers.

Social Security - It's broke.

Corporate tax rates - Theft (and they will be reduced under Trump and would have been increased greatly if Bernie got his way)

Unemployment - long term UE benefits have contributed greatly to the sluggish "recovery" of the last decade. Hunger is a great motivator.

Can you name some US socialist programs that are successful? That are better than the private sector could do?
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [len] [ In reply to ]
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So you have established that Americans are particularly bad at running gov't programs.

And Venezuelans.

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My point isn't socialism is all good. Neither would it be capitalism all bad. Almost all successful countries have a mixture of both.

And we have too much socialism. If the likes of Bernie Sanders had his way we'd have total socialism. And we'd end up arresting bakers for making too many pastries and not enough loaves. Think that's over the top? Just look at any other socialist regime in world history and you'll see where it always ends up.

And Bernie cited Venezuela as a model for the US!!!

Well, anyway, looks like we'll be getting more capitalism and less socialism for the next few years. And that's a welcome relief.

"What are words for,
When no one listens anymore?"
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [len] [ In reply to ]
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If the purely private sector was so great at fulfilling those services, then why did the federal government need to get involved in the first place?

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Control.








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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Well maybe. Real capitalism or crony capitalism remains to be seen. Careful planning probably not. Beside why are we bringing up Bernie isn't he old news? And Venezuela is more of a tinpot dictatorship than a modern socialist country.

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So you have established that Americans are particularly bad at running gov't programs.


And Venezuelans.

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My point isn't socialism is all good. Neither would it be capitalism all bad. Almost all successful countries have a mixture of both.


And we have too much socialism. If the likes of Bernie Sanders had his way we'd have total socialism. And we'd end up arresting bakers for making too many pastries and not enough loaves. Think that's over the top? Just look at any other socialist regime in world history and you'll see where it always ends up.

And Bernie cited Venezuela as a model for the US!!!

Well, anyway, looks like we'll be getting more capitalism and less socialism for the next few years. And that's a welcome relief.
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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Sweden has bread shortages??

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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You seriously think that at the time social security was implemented, the government just wanted to control people's retirement? Or was there a need that had to be filled?

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
Sweden has bread shortages??

Sigh.

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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We talking about social security in particular, or the impetus towards socialism in general?

Here's a question: If the need to be filled is that some elderly are poor, why impose a solution that encompasses everyone?








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Hey, you're the one who made the claim that all socialist countries collapse.

Some do, many don't.

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
Hey, you're the one who made the claim that all socialist countries collapse.

Some do, many don't.


Sweden is well on it's way as we speak.

And how much infusion of cash from Germany is Sweden the recipient of. And who defends Germany and Sweden against hostile countries?

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Re: A look into the US if Bernie got his way... [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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I just picked one system, at random.

The follow up question to your question is that if it just covers the poor (ie those who cannot pay) then who pays for it?

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