Takes 6 weeks to learn how to run in them. I wouldn't give up on them too soon. Its the only shoes I've ever put 500 miles on. Everything else has always been 250 miles.

hey Joe thanks for the input. if it makes sense, with say, a small gait change i would keep them. the weird thing for me is knee pain, which I have never experienced before. Don't see that complained about in forums etc. so i don't know if i am doing something wrong but I just figured why screw with it

Trade ya a pair of Torin 2.0, 20 miles on them!

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What color and do they run true to size?

they are black with white accents. yes, true to size

not sure i want to stay with the zero drop, wondering if that is my problem on top of the large cushioning and the Torins I think are only slightly less. Thanks. i may come back to you for a try if no one wants wants them

bump for price reduction to $50