And frequently, these systems and the machining that builds them, have no other purpose and can't be used for anything else. Boeing isn't going to build these units, and the profit off of using the same things on their commercial travel fleet. They'll build them for Air Force One, and then might never build one again.

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(insert pithy phrase here...)

and what?

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Will they cover up when the galley chef throws himself out the door after Trump orders his tenderloin well-done?

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Dan already said they sounded cool, and that was going to order a couple for the ranch.

With ketchup? Or without?

I'd support impeachment for that particular crime against humanity.

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Sure, but that's part of the contractor game. You're right, this type of one-off engineering isn't likely to produce much useful for Boeing. But Air Force One stuff tends to have very high visibility within Congress, the media (as we see now), and possibly even the President himself. It has the potential to impact the Boeing brand.

So when you're bidding you put your A-team of engineers with their very high label rates on the proposal. And you tell the Air Force, "It's expensive, but we're gonna knock it out of the park for you." Then once you get the contract you slide those A-team engineers off into an advisory role and back onto their real jobs on the next-gen 737 team or whatever, and put a team of journeyman engineers on there. Guys who are more than capable of designing a damn mil-spec mini-fridge. And the A-team just shows up to design reviews to make sure the journeymen aren't screwing it up. As long as the project is on schedule and budget, the government contract oversight team won't complain too much about how the proposed personnel mix doesn't exactly match what was bid. In fact in some contracts the contractor has no legal obligation to report exactly who worked each hour. You can just bill "Lead Engineer" hours.

I don't get it. He doesn't need to keep his beer cold as he doesn't drink, and I don't think KFC needs to be refrigerated. It makes the crust soggy. So why do they need this????

For all the vegan reporters in the press corps?

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Can't a couple of Yeti coolers and some dry ice be a lot cheaper?

If a president from Alabama is ever elected, you can expect to see Yeti and Salt Life bumper stickers on AF1.

rolls royce and siemens in instances give the capital equupment simply for lifecycle revenues.

Seems to me they will need a lot more than 70 cubic feet of cold storage, since a typical household refrigerator is about 25 ft.³.

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Nope, Boeing can only invoice the rate for the hours of those who actually work on the program. Each individual has to log his or her hours at their rate every day into a DCAA approved time management system. If Boeing moves those expensive A-team engineers off the program and used guys with lower rates, then those lower rates will show up in the monthly invoice. I have never, ever heard of a DoD contract where you could bill hours by title and not by name (the exception being firm, fixed, price, but then you don't invoice hours anyway). Any cost type contract will require billing by individuals, all of which is auditable by the DCAA.

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You'll note that I used the term "some contracts" not "this contract." So calm your jets.

not replying to Trail, but to the most recent post...

Nobody seems to be answering the actual question. Had this decision come up when Obama was still in office, what would Trump's tweet storm have looked like? Ignore whether or not the fridge upgrade is needed, or if the quoted price for said fridge upgrade is reasonable or not. What would Trump had said if this announcement was made 2 years ago?

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Well that’s true. Even though he didn’t have anything to do with it, if Obama did it Trump would have tweeted some stupid bullshit about how he wouldn’t need air con cuz he’d never leave DC he’d be working so hard. And my sister in law would have posted some stupid haughty outraged Facebook post prefaced with “I don’t know if this is true but if it is.....”

My jets are calm. Your post was extremely inaccurate, to be kind.

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Need somewhere to put all those Diet Cokes.

I know you have no problem with it because it is Trump (and Hillary would have done far far worse) but for me, just another example of how politicians are detached from the reality that taxpayers pay for their whims. It's just a small but really a perfect example of how entitled politicians feel when they are in power, regardless of their own personal wealth.


As is typical with Trump it's not the singular issue, it's the pattern of behavior and in this case blatant and bald hypocrisy.

Citizen Trump constantly attacked Obama and other politicians for their spendthrift ways. Candidate Trump carried that on, adding the bromide, that he was so good a businessman and deal-maker, he would get a better deal, with Boeing, or whoever. President Trump now seems not to care.

In fact, Trump's presidency is on record pace, to be overall the most expensive presidency, ever, by a long shot, AND the Trump business, is also profiting directly and indirectly from Trump being in the White House. Both of these issues seem to get VERY little news coverage.

Do Trump voters/supporters/GOP, not care that Trump is costing the U.S. tax-payers and citizens all of this extra money, AND profiting from it all at the same time?

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3000 meals and weeks without resupply......sounds like a flying nuclear bunker. Never know when one of those might be needed .........

can't they just save 24MM and live on tinned soup and breakfast cereal for a few weeks .....that is pretty much all i eat now and I'm doing ok.

Holy Shit man. Obama campaigned on the deficit. Most expensive presidency ever? Are you remotely aware of the deficit increase the last 9 years?

Are you implying that Obama is responsible for the first Trump year?

Fixed the problem.

I don’t think he’s referring to the entire federal budget, including all the long-term entitlement programs and all the congresscritters’ various personal pork projects ~ rather, the point was over how much the administration’s personal operating expenses have mushroomed for things like travel, entertaining, vacations, family SS protection, etc.

I do find the fact that Trump profits personally from having all his official entourage (staff & SS, etc) stay at his own resorts for his uber-frequent golfing vacations to be extremely distasteful. We already know he complained bitterly about how much time Obama spent golfing (before going on to spend even more time doing it himself thus far), so just imagine what he’d have said if Obama had been lining his own pockets w/ taxpayer $$ in the process.