Definitely too light of a punishment...should be a lifetime ban. Admits to using T back to 2010 and notes he is a 5 x Kona finisher ... now we know how he did it. Bill Beyer > cheat and dickhead, that's all we need to know. Next!

I believe he still holds the Kona AG "record" for M50-54. If so, someone please alert them that this needs to be scrubbed.

I seriously doubt they can retroactively punish him considering there is no proof he was doping at the time.

Wait, let me get this straight:

1. This guy is a Deloitte Partner....the global auditing Deloitte....the guys that make sure you follow the rules. The company where you have to sell all you stock so you have no conflict of interest in case another part of the company is auditing a company that you hold stock in?
2. He goes to Kona almost all the time, so he is a "rules guy" in his professional life and clueless about rules to get to Kona?
3. Been using T forever without a TUE ????

WTF ?????

Im 47 this year. The past 2 years i have noticed significant decline in recovery, performance, and increase in weight. Its called aging. Its called life. Again, i am consistent on this point, if a Dr recommends ones health requires T take it. Just dont race. Its very simple.

This asshole started T at about my age. And look at his video. He is ripped.

Fuck him.

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@rhyspencer

Yeah, this is the part that I don't get. If you are going for KQ you gotta know all the rules....especially the entire doping angle. If some guy is BOP and his doc is giving him T for health, its almost understandable that the guy does not know the pointy end rules for the road to the world championships....if you are going for Kona, it is a different world.

Rhys, on the aging and recovery part, I'm 5 years older than you. My recovery is still pretty good. But I am pretty disciplined about putting things in my mouth whose 95% purpose is to rebuild my body and fuel it, and only 5% for taste and satisfaction. Also pretty diligent about having a weekly target of 56 hours per week of sleep, which I usually miss by 2-3 hours, but it is the goal (just like 2 hours of training per day is the goal). I do a bit of weight training every day too (and have been since 15 despite the anti weights views on here on ST). I THINK masters athletes can "defeat aging" to some degree with all the legal means, it just takes a ton of persistence, just like we have persistence of training...but clearly Moats and this guy from Deloitte, want the extra "advantage" as long as they don't get caught....until they do.

This absolutely sickens me that Bill Beyer is paid to enforce rules professionally while flouting them personally. A "dirty cop" deserves to be called out most of all. Ethics and morals are exposed when you don't think someone is looking...

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DFL > DNF > DNS

As Moats has admitted to his doping using Testosterone and no doubt he obtained it legally from his doctor, it is a shame that the sports governing body could not subpoena his medical or prescription records as it would then prove how long he was obtaining the Testosterone from his doctor, of course if he acquired it from other sources that are not legal then perhaps a criminal charge could be brought but of course in the real world none of those things could probably be done which is a shame as it would give a true and more honest answer to his long term doping as no doubt it does go back many years one would think.

Very sad when you think about it for all those years he was just a cheat for his own ego, wonder how he spins all of that to his family and friends

I hadn't thought about "The Beyer Project" in years, only crossed paths with him once, but yeah...not a surprise.

I may know just the group of guys to do it with. You'd have to come into town for stupid o'clock in the morning though.

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Citizen of the world, former drunkard. Resident Traumatic Brain Injury advocate.

This.

And a bunch of people will say it's a cost issue (testing every podiumslot winner). But ya know what, if you want Kona bad enough. The WTC should make it part of the process. Here's your contingent Kona slot, pee in the cup which costs $xxx.xx, and if you're clean... see you on the big island.

If they fail, ban their ass an put the slot back in the pool at a different race.

In fairness, I don't know if this guy is in the audit arm of Deloitte or the consulting arm, but regardless, when you sign up at Deloitte, it is kind of expected that you're signing up to hold up the company "audit" brand. I have several friends who are partners at that firm, and they have to wear the company branding in all aspects of personal life, so yes, it's like being a cop or serviceman and having to uphold the values of the org when you're operating in normal civvy life....so they get held to a higher bar in mindless personal pursuits (such as triathlon).

This is from the Deloitte page:

Bill Beyer is a principal at Deloitte Consulting LLP with more than 30 years of private and public sector experience. He has been a leader in Shared Services and Business Transformation in public and private sector. At Deloitte, Bill is a senior leader in the Federal practice which generates revenues of approximately $2 billion. He is responsible for 20 of the most strategic accounts in the Federal practice and leads Shared Services for the Civilian Sector.

Oh - and the last line on one of his linkedin postings--- "Truth is a very powerful weapon," anyone see the human contradiction here?

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Graham Wilson
USAT Level III Elite Coach
http://www.thewilsongroup.biz

I agree. There are also plenty of still-legal avenues for satisfying competitive urges. You can crush group rides. You can crush un-USAC-sanctioned gran fondos and the equivalent in running races, etc. (I should say, both unsanctioned and without a doping clause in the entry conditions). Some might consider those a gray area, but it's a gray area I'm satisfied with: if there's an explicit rule, follow the explicit rule. That's the essence of sport.

Yeah. It's a shame sports governing bodies don't have their own SWAT team that could break down doors in the middle of the night and hold the athletes' families at gunpoint while searching their medicine cabinets. Maybe there could be a law that forces doctors to report their patients if they suspect they've entered a local 5K while on testosterone. Or better yet we could set up a nationwide network of informants, perhaps one on every block, who snitch on neighbors who enter recreational events while on viagra or other nefarious drugs. No measure is too extreme to protect those taking a hobby way too seriously. It's a shame we cannot do this...yet.

the other option, if you don't want to go to all that time and expense, is to read what he said in 2012, which were his stipulations when applying for his TUE. 2005 is when he started.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

I’ve met Bill Beyer a few times - my first two times at Kona were via the XC program, and Bill was there both times. There are a number of group functions in XC (breakfasts, dinners, etc), so you do get to interact in a social setting outside of the race. I would say don’t judge his personality based solely on that video - he’s actually quite personable and funny, and what’s weird about this whole thing is that he never came across (to me) as one of the hyper-competitive types that you get in IM and occasionally in the XC ranks.

That said, it’s very sad and disappointing to see this. I try to operate under the (perhaps naive) assumption that my peers (like Bill, I’m in the 55-59 AG) are racing fairly, so it’s especially disheartening to learn that someone you know isn’t. Moats is a somewhat different story, as by all accounts he’s not even personable and is also at the top of the podium, taking placings and trophies from clean athletes. Bill’s not that quick, even on T (not that that makes it right; just that he isn’t taking victories away from others to the same degree <grin>).

I’m curious as to how he even got tapped; I’m guessing via a tip.

Ian

I think we are missing the salient point here, Beyer was a ballerina for christ's sake !

Not sure of the deepest reasons he did this infraction multiple times for. Not a psychologist here...I could speculate (which you don't like much), but I'd go with ego. Possibly a superiority self image, or complete opposite--he may have had such low self esteem he was compelled to do it to feel adequate in some way. This entire thread continues to feed him what he needs and got from this sport, as it seems to me (my merely commenting here), is another nugget of attention Kevin likely is reading and feeds off of. Approaching 300 comments as the next milestone here, he maybe can't race to fulfill whatever needs he has but this attention seems to me anyhow--to in some small way, give him exactly what he was doping & using the mirror for.

Any psychologists out there that can comment on these personality types?

I wouldn't say I am mad at Moats (not even in his AG & yes he drafted off me in Kona & has beaten me in races in the past during his doping period)...but mad/anger isn't anything I feel towards him. I actually feel sad for him. Sad that his personality traits caused him to go dishonest for years and appears to have no remorse for anything he did. Apparently, toeing the line and giving it your natural best on race day just isn't enough for some.

I still have a hard time having any sympathy or extending any understanding, whatsoever, for a guy like Moats. He is and has been a serious athlete in this sport for decades. This is just not something that should even be a question.

I mean, I just came home from the Dr. yesterday, diagnosed with pneumonia, and prescribed Albuterol (in a dosage above WADA guidelines) and oral Prednisolone. A 5 second check of the 2018 list shows those will require action on my part.

Certainly any sort of hormone therapy with testosterone and/or HGH is an absolute no-brainer that I'd either need to pursue a seemingly unlikely TUE OR just not compete.

Any other outlook on such a situation is just manipulative bullshit by someone trying to game the system. I'm not buying it.

Wow! I know this guy.

Have to agree about the "grade A douche" part as well.

I raced against him a few times at the Luray Triathlon and saw him blatantly and deliberately drafting on multiple occasions, had there been refs around I expect he would have been DQ'd. According to the article he was on T at the time as well!

Despite the doping and drafting, I was able to beat him by several minutes at the Oly distance despite racing cleanly. I will give him credit for helping create one of my favorite race memories. Just after I passed his drafting A$$ on the bike I managed to drop my chain at the bottom of a steep hill. I was so pissed off I got the chain back on, started up, and proceeded to crush his dreams... :)

Of course, he apparently has been to Kona 5 times and I have never been there so I guess he gets the last laugh. :(

Now excuse me, I had meant to go over to Slowman's "Why don't you sign up" thread and agree with the guy who did not do IMs anymore due to all the cheating. I'm signed up for Tremblant this year and I expect it will be the last Ironman I ever do. I just turned 55 and I am not interested in trying to fight past all the drafters and dopers to try and get a slot.

Executive challenge.

My understanding is that he has been to Kona at least once outside of that, as part of his "Kona Project". He is local to the Reston area and I knew both him and his coach - for a while he had a live-in coach and then traveled to an IM race in Asia where he qualified. Unless I am mistaken that was not part of the executive challenge.

Any other outlook on such a situation is just manipulative bullshit by someone trying to game the system. I'm not buying it.

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This^^^^is absolutely spot on.

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@rhyspencer

I can understand the why, but to me it's like dying one's hair to hide the white. It's undignified and, once you start it's hard to stop. My 2 cents.