Sanuk wrote:
If they were not coming from shit hole countries why would they want to leave and come to the US?
It may surprise you to know but almost every person on earth, given the choice, would like to stay in their country of birth. It is where they grew up, have their friends and their families. I've met people and visited countries around the world and with very few exceptions, people would prefer to be in their country of birth.
The only reason people leave, other than to be with family members, is for economic reasons (ie. jobs, future prospects for their children). If the U.S offers those, people will come. If countries in Western Europe offer it, they will go there.
That is why they leave shithole countries and if the economics improved in their countries, they would go back in a heartbeat even if Trump doesn't understand that.
1) those aren't "the only reasons". Fleeing religious persecution is another reason. Fleeing criminal prosecution is another reason. Spreading terrorism or a particular religion is another reason. Falling within your category of "economic reasoning" though not as benign as the examples you give are, to pursue illegal activity for gain (because it is more profitable or the consequences are more lenient than where they are coming from), receiving free and better health care, and receiving govt benefit and assistance (all fall under your category). I get that I am not describing all or even the vast majority of those that come to the US. But to make it sound like those are the only two reasons (and they are all your poor and huddled masses striving ) is disingenuous.
2) The US does offer these things and people come. If Canada offered these things would people come? If they did would they be allowed in as easily as they are in the US? Western Europe has offered it and they have come. And many in Western Europe are reviewing their consequences and policies as we are.
3) No where in Trump's asinine statement(s) do I see where he doesn't understand that if one's shithole country became less of a shithole that the person wouldn't desire to return. Nor do I see where we or he control the factors that would influence the shithole to clean up its act. So instead we have to look at how we are going to deal with all the people who understandably want to leave their shithole despite the fact that it is their home (and understandably would choose the US as the alternative).
No all this doesn't make me a Trump supporter and yes I still think Trump is an idiot. That shouldn't mean you get to throw out blanket statements that go unchallenged.