j p o wrote:
RangerGress wrote:
j p o wrote:
RangerGress wrote:
I didn't deal with the bullying effectively. I was scared and as a result I was a punching bag. But I grew up in a time where kids were given lots of unsupervised time with their buddies so my peer group and I were emotionally stronger then kids today. So altho the bullying was a pita, it wasn't soul crushing.
Re. my thoughts on suicide are stupid and uninformed.
Ok, lets do a thought experiment. We take 2 kids, one whom is an emotionally frail kid who takes personally anything that does not go their way. They've never accomplished much of anything their own, they've not had much experience working thru conflicts with their buddies, because parents are ever-present. The other kid led the kind of rough and tumble unsupervised childhood that was the norm for my generation. Due to the lack of helicopter parent, the 2nd kid has much more experience dealing with life's vagaries. Now we expose both these children to a equal bullying environment. It's just a hypothetical so we can do "equal". Which of these two kids will likely become more distraught due to the bullying?Compare and contrast teen suicide rates from when you were a kid to today.
I know you mean well, but I think you are just wrong on your basic premise.
You're evading addressing my thought experiment.
So if I note that teen suicides are relatively stable, that invalidates the idea that "less sheltered" kids are emotionally stronger? I don't pretend to have a lot of insight into teen suicide, but it seems like common sense to me that kids that are emotionally stronger are better equipped to deal with life's setbacks and being harassed by their peers.
I would argue that helicopter parenting is delaying the maturation of our kids. So when they do get out of the house, they're in for a shock.
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10254I'm not evading it. I am dismissing it because I believe it is based on a faulty premise.
You have stated repeatedly that you think kids from our generation were emotionally stronger and that kids going through these types of things makes you more immune to bullying and that sort of thing and that weak kids are the ones that kill themselves.
If kids were stronger from our generation and only weaker kids kill themselves one could reasonably expect teen suicide rates to be higher now than then. They are not. In fact, until the very recent uptick they were markedly lower. There is also a distinct difference between helicopter parenting and paying attention to when your kid is being bullied.
Re. weak kids are the ones that kill themselves. It seems to me like you are just seeking conflict. Except for the debate ploy vs. mv2005, I've not made any assertions re. suicide. I am talking about bullying. You can talk about suicide all you want, but I'm making no point in that area. Suicide is complicated. Drawing blithe conclusions is hazardous.
Re. "reasonably expect teen suicides to be higher higher now than then". I say again, suicide is complicated. You're attempting do draw simple conclusions re. causation. I am not in. I don't have enough knowledge re. teen suicide to participate in that conversation.
Re. "helicopter parenting and paying attention to when your kid is being bullied". Sigh. Of course they are different. I argued that helicopter parenting makes kid's emotionally weak. I never suggested that parents should "not pay attention" to bullying incidents. I said they should be wary of reflexively intervening.
Can we just give this up? The debate has become a series of you attacking and me pointing out that I didn't actually make the points that you're attacking. Is hard to stay interested in the debate.
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