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'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals
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Yeesh. Our civil servants are incompetent and our flag officers are corrupt. And meanwhile, our Sailors can't drive our ships.

“The Justice Department has filed criminal charges against 28 people, including two admirals, since Francis was arrested in an international sting operation four years ago. Those cases comprise the worst corruption scandal in Navy history, but they represent a fraction of a much larger list of Navy officials under investigation but whose names have been mostly kept secret. In response to queries from The Post, the Navy recently confirmed that it has been reviewing the conduct of 440 other active-duty and retired personnel — including 60 current and former admirals — for possible violations of military law or federal ethics rules in their dealings with Francis and his company, Glenn Defense Marine Asia. That is double the number of admirals whom Navy officials said were under investigation last year.”

‘Fat Leonard’ probe expands to ensnare more than 60 admirals.

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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Good grief. How many admirals do we even have?








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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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vitus979 wrote:
Good grief. How many admirals do we even have?

Mr. Slowguy would have a precise figure. I think around 220 or so.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
vitus979 wrote:
Good grief. How many admirals do we even have?


Mr. Slowguy would have a precise figure. I think around 220 or so.
One for every boat.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
vitus979 wrote:
Good grief. How many admirals do we even have?


Mr. Slowguy would have a precise figure. I think around 220 or so.

One for every boat.

Ouch! That hurts, sir. ;-)

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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I found many different sources for the number of total admirals (one-star through four-star) serving on active duty bouncing around out there. These ranged from a claimed statutory limit of 160 to the linked website's 221 as of 2017. This included 10 four-star (or "full") admirals, the highest rank achievable since 1946, when the last five-star fleet admiral served.

I'm actually amazed at the number of flag officers (admirals) the Navy has, given the size of the fleet and the number of uniformed personnel the Navy hosts, which is way off what it had in WWII, when the sea service had 18 admirals of various rank, plus 6700 warships and 3.4 million uniformed personnel. Personally, I remember there being fewer admirals back in my junior officer days, when we'd peaked at 600 ships and approximately 500,000 officers and Sailors.

Some argue today that the increasing complexity of the Navy's equipment, technology and missions mandates a greater number of admirals than has been the case in the past, and there's no doubt the Navy's more "technical" and skills-based than when I first enlisted back in the late-1970s.

• Total military personnel of the U.S. Navy 2016-2018, by rank | Statistic

This website (Cutting America’s Defense Budget:. U.S. Navy has 216 Admirals Today, More Than Ten Times as Many as in WWII | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization) says the biggest reason for the "explosion" in the flag officer ranks is "grade creep," something I'd heard about of among force planners in D.C. a number of years ago. It's "a tendency in the Pentagon to increase the rank for a particular job." I remember reading a Navy Times article or three that lamented grade creep, and this was back in the early-1990s.

The retired Navy captain (paygrade O6, on a scale of O1 to O10) interviewed for the article above had some other suggestions for "right-sizing" the Navy, including ditching those uniform boards that constantly tinker with the Navy's uniforms. He goes on to note the Navy's fascination with Total Quality Management -- which of course became "Total Quality Leadership" in the sea service -- something I was swept up into back when I was but a young Bull Ensign. This Navy captain sounds a bit like a cranky old salt. In other words, my kind of guy. ;-)

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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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The USAF (and the rest of the military) is a lot smaller now than it was in 1985 during the peak of the "Reagan years". (Remember Lehman and the 600-ship US Navy? The USAF had 134 fighter squadrons in 1991, and it now has 55 fighter squadrons.)

But the total number of flag officers for all of the services has only declined from 1050 in 1985 ((0.05% of the total force) to 909 in 2015 (0.07% of the total force). The number of 4-stars has increased from 36 to 38.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R44389.pdf

Flag officers never want to eliminate their own positions.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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For the novelty of replying to Kahuna almost 5 years later,....Fat Leonard is on the run.

The man responsible for taking down more than 30 Navy officers in one of the biggest scandals in the service's history has managed to elude the U.S. Marshals, leaving behind his GPS monitoring bracelet, just weeks before he was due to be sentenced. He was apparently super stealthy, given that the neighbors of his multi-million dollar San Diego home report having seen U-Haul trucks coming and going in the days before he disappeared.


'Fat Leonard,' set to finally be sentenced in long-running Navy bribery scheme, is on the lam - The San Diego Union-Tribune (sandiegouniontribune.com)

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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Nice dig into the past and a shout out to BK.

Roger stealth Uhaul trucks. I did not see reporting on passport possession. How long before he surfaces in Singapore working the docks again?
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Ed Olczyk has gained weight.





How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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I see where he was facing 25 years. And for whatever reason he never actually testified. So maybe he wasn't getting as good a deal as he hoped.

If I'm facing 25 years and can get away, you are probably going to have to catch me too.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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So has anyone ever seen Fat Leonard and BK in the same room?
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Part of his deal to be released to house arrest in 2018 was that he pay for his own 24-hour surveillance. Sounds like he got his money's worth but I wonder who was doing the surveillance and where they are now.
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [schroeder] [ In reply to ]
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schroeder wrote:
Part of his deal to be released to house arrest in 2018 was that he pay for his own 24-hour surveillance. Sounds like he got his money's worth but I wonder who was doing the surveillance and where they are now.

The claim is that he was "out to lunch".

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Part of his deal to be released to house arrest in 2018 was that he pay for his own 24-hour surveillance. Sounds like he got his money's worth but I wonder who was doing the surveillance and where they are now.


The claim is that he was "out to lunch".

That was the claim from a previous incident where there was a three hour lapse in security coverage.

Slowguy

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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [gofigure] [ In reply to ]
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gofigure wrote:
Nice dig into the past and a shout out to BK.

Roger stealth Uhaul trucks. I did not see reporting on passport possession. How long before he surfaces in Singapore working the docks again?

If you want to disappear South America is the way to go but not so for Fat L

https://news.usni.org/...ng-to-flee-to-russia
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [Constantine] [ In reply to ]
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Constantine wrote:
gofigure wrote:
Nice dig into the past and a shout out to BK.

Roger stealth Uhaul trucks. I did not see reporting on passport possession. How long before he surfaces in Singapore working the docks again?


If you want to disappear South America is the way to go but not so for Fat L

https://news.usni.org/...ng-to-flee-to-russia

If I were successfully hiding out in S. America, I'm not sure I'd be looking forward to flying to Russia. Not exactly the vacation destination one might look for in their elderly felon retirement years.

Slowguy

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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Tough situation all around. The U.S. apparently doesn't have any formal diplomatic ties right now, so extradition may be difficult. Venezuela is likely just keeping him as a bargaining chip. But the U.S. is unlikely to give up much, and backdoor negotiations through some 3rd country would be long and tedious.

If things don't go anywhere, and FL still has access to 7-digit assets, he may be able to negotiate to some degree.

This is just a new chapter.....
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
Tough situation all around. The U.S. apparently doesn't have any formal diplomatic ties right now, so extradition may be difficult. Venezuela is likely just keeping him as a bargaining chip. But the U.S. is unlikely to give up much, and backdoor negotiations through some 3rd country would be long and tedious.

If things don't go anywhere, and FL still has access to 7-digit assets, he may be able to negotiate to some degree.

This is just a new chapter.....

Yeah, I'm not sure the $40,000 reward for his capture is going to be enough for Venezuela.

Slowguy

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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Hot take, is this sounds like a good deal for the U.S. 10 Americans, six with unlawfully detained status. 21 Venezuelans, mostly dissidents. A few others in the system.

All for clemency for one dude for money laundering. I bet when that dude gets home, he's going to be writing some massive checks to Maduro & Friends, because they gave up *a lot* for one dude. I hope he has a good stash of money, either laundered or not.

Edit: Unless it's not about money, and they don't want Saab continuing to leak information to the U.S.



Thanks, Biden!

Edit: Ha, already darts being thrown "“Disgraceful decision,” (Rubio). I don't know how you call bringing 10 Americans home, criminal or otherwise, "disgraceful".
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Guessing no ankle bracelet this time.
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Re: 'Fat Leonard' Scandal Ensnares 60 More Current, Retired Navy Admirals [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:



Hot take, is this sounds like a good deal for the U.S. 10 Americans, six with unlawfully detained status. 21 Venezuelans, mostly dissidents. A few others in the system.

All for clemency for one dude for money laundering. I bet when that dude gets home, he's going to be writing some massive checks to Maduro & Friends, because they gave up *a lot* for one dude. I hope he has a good stash of money, either laundered or not.

Edit: Unless it's not about money, and they don't want Saab continuing to leak information to the U.S.



Thanks, Biden!

Edit: Ha, already darts being thrown "“Disgraceful decision,” (Rubio). I don't know how you call bringing 10 Americans home, criminal or otherwise, "disgraceful".

It is. I did not support the exchange for Griener but this is a good deal.
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