I am against police brutality. People need to name names and provide evidence so police officers can be held accountable. We have seen many cases where the media ran with a false narrative or a half truth. If I were a cop I would want a body cam.

I don't pretend to speak for everyone or all black protests and I don't know how you could reach the conclusions you have without making huge assumptions. All I have said is that I don't think kneeling during the anthem is a good form of protest. The reason is because it offends or alienates the majority of the population and I believe that keeps them from hearing the message behind the protest. For what it's worth I think many protests lack a clear message and a desired action. A good example is Occupy Wall Street. What was their message and what did they want?

Have you considered the possibility that people are annoyed by the fact that so many social justice protests appear to be build on a false or exaggerated premise that paints everyone else as the enemy or oppressor, while largely ignoring or downplaying the factors that, given proper attention and prioritization, would largely alleviate the problems being protested?

There is no form of protest that people will endorse if they don't endorse the premise.

I'm annoyed by the Hands Up Don't Shoot protests, and all that it spawned, for how it unfairly labels law enforcement as racist killers enforcing the mandate of a racist society. I'm annoyed by modern intersectional feminists and the distorted reality they create for themselves while demanding that I bear the responsibility to fix it. It really boils down to this. It's not anti-woman, or anti-minority, or anti-anything except anti-self righteous bullshit that exacerbates what problems already exist.

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Like most SJWs, Barry has a single laser-like focus on his own social justice battle. That's why he trolled the LR just after the #metoo "campaign" began.

Yea, it's all becoming very tiring and the annoyed need to mock and ridicule the SJWs or we'll lose the war. Okay, war is an extreme term to us... but it's not to them.

There's a useful concept in persuasion: win people to you, and you'll win them to your argument. So much of how it's done lately has pretty much the opposite effect, of pushing people away from causes they're inclined to support with repulsive arguments and tactics.

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Isn't the best solution just to stop playing the National Anthem at these events?

For me the vast majority of the social justice issues boil down to this: Identify laws that discriminate against a particular groups of people or provide specific instances of of discrimination. That allows me and others to stand against that discrimination with you. Too many people speak vaguely to issues, like racism and sexism, as though it's some nameless, faceless entity working against them.

This guy will sort out this anthem crap,...

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Maybe he was afraid of getting turf stains on his pants. And, you have to understand, that is not a flag, that is a beach towel that just looks like a flag.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

"Have you considered the possibility that people are annoyed by the fact that so many social justice protests appear to be build on a false or exaggerated premise that paints everyone else as the enemy or oppressor, while largely ignoring or downplaying the factors that, given proper attention and prioritization, would largely alleviate the problems being protested? "


How can I miss it? It seems to be a hot topic everywhere I go. As I said, black people being annoying tends to work its way to the top of the priority list. Black people having to deal with real problems doesn't.

"Yeah, but those black people are REALLY annoying," doesn't change that fact.




"I'm annoyed by the Hands Up Don't Shoot protests, and all that it spawned, for how it unfairly labels law enforcement as racist killers enforcing the mandate of a racist society."


And I'm annoyed that one of my best friends got the shit beat out of him by a bunch of cops for minding his own business while being black, or that my friend's neighbor gets pulled over once a month for being black while driving a Mercedes. Yes, its sad that people overreact and over exaggerate racism in our justice system. Hands Up, Don't Shoot was spawned by the Ferguson incident and there was misinformation that was being spread. Do you remember what else happened? The police left a dead body in the streets for several hours. They had been unfairly harassing the blacks in Fergusson, probably since the slaves were freed, but certainly consistently in the last few decades. They handled the peaceful protests very poorly, and most importantly the investigation found that the Ferguson police department did, in fact, have a problem with racism.

But what happened with that incident, like with any incident, is that people pick through all the facts and only seem to care about the ones where the black people did something wrong. Or they pick through all of the viral incidents of racism in police / detainee altercations and only focus on the ones where, in fact, the black guy did something wrong. Hands Up Don't Shoot? What about Hey, I Have a Permit for a Gun?

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I have a really hard time believing that's not a gross exaggeration or straight up lie. Where does your friend live ?

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'MURICA!!!

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I thought the two statements I highlighted, were, what's the word I'm looking for Barry?

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"Look, will you guys at leats accept that you are a bunch of dumb asses and just trust me on this one? Please?" BarryP 7/30/2012

I'm reporting what he tells me. I have no idea how many times he gets pulled over. Is it actually 12 times a year? Maybe its only 6 times a year? Maybe its 4 times a year?



Nevertheless, you aren't concerned with the fact that he's being needlessly harassed for being a black guy driving a nice car in a rural white town. You're concerned with the fact that YOU *think* he's over exaggerating how bad the problem is.



Priorities:
1) Black people need to figure out how to properly protest
2) All black people need to stop lying all the time
3) Something else blacks are probably doing wrong
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57) Help figure out the problem with racism once we've straightened out the problems that black people are causing

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"I have a really hard time believing that's not a gross exaggeration or straight up lie. Where does your friend live ? "

That was a typo. I meant once a month. He lives in a rural white town in Delaware where the small black population is poor/working class. He's retired from NYC, lives in a 3500 sq ft house and drives really nice Mercedes.

Do they actually pull him over once a month? Is it once every other month?

I've been pulled over for something frivolous once in my life (a strap from my bike rack obscuring my license plate). The point is, lets say he over exaggerates 4x. He's still getting pulled over 100x more than I do. What's the bigger concern? The exaggeration or the racism? In this forum it certainly seems to be the latter (and this is based on a hypothetical where we assume he's even exaggerating at all).

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I'd say the bigger concern is exaggeration to promote racism. But since you said it was a typo that's a mute point.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

What's the solution? What can someone like me (white as they come) do about it? Has your friend reported or complained to the police dept? I'm being serious. I have no doubt that shit like that happens all the time but I seriously don't know what I can do about it other than to have your friend file a complaint. Does he document it?

I think Orphious touched on it but what has your friend done? Has he made any complaints? What was the reason stated he was pulled over? What was your friend doing when he was pulled over? Do the police have some sort of reminder to pull him over once every month?

Oh, btw, I think the word we were looking for to describe your earlier post, might have been irony. :)

If your friend is indeed being racially targeted as you "claim", if he isn't taking steps to have the police's behavior corrected, he too is part of the problem.

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"If your friend is indeed being racially targeted as you "claim", if he isn't taking steps to have the police's behavior corrected, he too is part of the problem. "


Let me summarize the recent thread:

Me: You guys don't care about racism, only about what problems black people are causing.
LR: Yeah, but ignoring everything else you wrote, black people are really annoying.
Me: Yet another example of you looking for problems with blacks. Hey, I know a guy who gets pulled over by the police once a month for driving while being black,
LR: Lets see.....black guy gets pulled over a lot.....well....hey, did he report it? Because if not, HE TOO IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.


Are you guys not getting this, or do you just not care. Every subject that involves racism, you guys just really really dig and try to figure out what it is black people are doing wrong. Hell, the last two complaints were based entirely on hypotheticals. He *might* be over exaggerating and he *might* not be reporting it.

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Rather than characterize what the general theme in this thread is, share with us.

1. It sounds like you don't actually believe he is pulled over by the police for being black, each and every month?

2. When he tells you he is pulled over each and every month, what is your response? Do you ask him anything? Does he say anything else about being pulled over. You're great at making shit up, how about sharing with us, more of the dialog about your friend and his monthly police interaction?

Please share some details.

If a person has an opportunity to correct a wrong and elects to do nothing, is he part of the solution?

I know there is racism in the US, there always has been and sadly, I think there always will be, imo, it's not nearly as bad today as it was 40 to 50 years ago. I think it will continue to be less of an issue as time passes.It shouldn't be tolerated and should be addressed on the spot when each of us sees it happening.

On the other hand, the instance of people like you who see racism around ever corner and make race bating, like you and slowman don't do a thing to improve anything for anyone, but I guess if it makes you feel some sort of superiority that's your prerogative. Just don't expect rational thinking individuals to buy into it.

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