Attempted secession of one or more states. Figure California and its Calexit foolishness, and then maybe Washington state and Oregon, followed by a couple of northeastern and/or coastal "blue" states on the eastern seaboard. That'd just about do it.

I thought we'd settled that states just can't secede, through the bloodiest war in our history, but memories are apparently short these days and some people, who should know better, don't believe we'd go that route again. But we would. It's called the "UNITED States" for a reason.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

And I'm with Mr. Duffy and his gun confiscation thing. "Come and (try to) take them." ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

They can start all the cases they want, but they have to wind their way through the system. And if folks don't fight them locally, they won't find their way to the SC. You could have a number of cases that affect local and state law but that don't affect federal law unless liberal groups try to fight it all the way to the SC. So yeah, that's what so what.

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And most of the pro-choice crowd don't have a ny guns.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

I don't think there is much danger of an actual civil war. But if one comes it would be precipitated by serious economic issues. People with a lot to lose don't tend to blow their stuff up.

Have something like 2008 happen. Have hard line people in power who think it isn't the government's job to step in. Have it multiply beyond containment.

Either that or zombies.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

So a good buying opportunity will cause civil war....


...if the government won't "step in" and let the bargains be had?

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Good question. I think it'd take a confluence of events rather than any one event.

For example a deep, deep depression with high unemployment + a political drama (say, an impeachment or assassination) + some hot button issue that divides states now inciting massive unrest (e.g. guns, immigration, etc.)

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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The USA is already in a civil war. Just no major military battles yet. Also in a cultural/philosphical war against the rest of the western world. Fortunately that one will end the moment you get rid of Trump.

And if he's reelected?

If you go by recent events, there are more Juggalos than either one. Those are the fucker we should be afraid of.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Under Trump, you're coming very close to abdicating your long held assumed position of world leader. And by "world leader" we mean moral leader and not military might. Its hard to be a "world leader" when nobody else agrees or respects the guy. Sixty years ago everyone wanted to be just like America. Nowadays much less so. Elect him again and watch American prestige around the world continue to fall. I don't mean to sound harsh, but the reality is that Trump is an eye roller with other world leaders . Can't wait to hear his upcoming speech at the UN. I'm sure that will go over real big with other western allies. His base will continue to say "so what", but the reality is that no country can function as an insular entity, not even the most powerful one.

I wonder how many gun owners feel strongly enough about gun ownership that they would potentially give up their lives, or at least be willing to take another, if the big bad gub'ment were to start confiscating guns (all other things in society being relatively equal to as they are today).

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Long Chile was a silly place.

Exactly what I meant to say. How many of the loudmouths would be willing to die for their cause, whatever that may be.

This again? We keep getting closer, and closer, and closer.

Years ago those two idiots were on Howard Stern somewhat regularly. The fact that they have a following of any sort is 10 times as depressing as Trump.

They were on Stern last week. They are organizing a march in Washington to protest the juggalos being classified as a gang.