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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Old Hickory wrote:
wild hare wrote:
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In the last 10 years, 275 people have died at the site and no one had previously survived swimming across its breadth.


275 fatalities? What?!


I would think most if not all of those are suicides. Famous places become popular suicide sites. I visited there in 2010 and I don't remember seeing any signs about suicide prevention. I remember somewhere recently where they had signs offering help if you were distressed, numbers to call, etc. Cliffs of Mohr had that in Ireland, but I think I have seen something similar in US, but I can't remember the venue.


My Dad worked at Hoover for 15+ years and from the stories he would tell,


You would know this. While on a tour of the dam, someone asked how any people were buried in the cement during the construction . The tour guide answered "none" and that was a tall tale.

What say you?

I finally remembered to ask my Dad - based on word of mouth from old timer on down, there are 3 people in the cement.

For the many years he was there, the suicides happened roughly once a month.
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [patf] [ In reply to ]
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Matthew McConaughey starred in the movie Sea of Trees, about a man who attempts suicide in a Japanese forest that's apparently like a park or famous place for would-be suicides. The setting appears dreamy, airy, ethereal, like the perfect place to usher one out of this life and to the next. If I'm ever near the end of a terminal diagnosis and disappear with a backpack, leaving a spot-free house and keys to a safe deposit box behind, that's the first place my family should look.


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In the last 10 years, 275 people have died at the site and no one had previously survived swimming across its breadth.


275 fatalities? What?!


I would think most if not all of those are suicides. Famous places become popular suicide sites. I visited there in 2010 and I don't remember seeing any signs about suicide prevention. I remember somewhere recently where they had signs offering help if you were distressed, numbers to call, etc. Cliffs of Mohr had that in Ireland, but I think I have seen something similar in US, but I can't remember the venue.
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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Won't help telling us. Please leave it in a note in the safe deposit box.

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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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A British man has been fined for swimming across the Colorado river at the Hoover Dam while drunk on a stag do.

I'm sorry, what?

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Knowing me, I'll do exactly that. And then I'll lose the damn keys. Probably better to just leave my passport in my pocket so the Japanese authorities can take care of the rest.


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Won't help telling us. Please leave it in a note in the safe deposit box.
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [patf] [ In reply to ]
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I don't remember seeing any signs about suicide prevention. I remember somewhere recently where they had signs offering help if you were distressed, numbers to call, etc. Cliffs of Mohr had that in Ireland, but I think I have seen something similar in US, but I can't remember the venue.

Bridges have signs up and train platforms. Taking the train home from thanksgiving day parade my daughter asked me what the word on the sign said = suicide.

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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A British man has been fined for swimming across the Colorado river at the Hoover Dam while drunk on a stag do.


I'm sorry, what?

Bachelor party.
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [eb] [ In reply to ]
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eb wrote:
patf wrote:
eb wrote:
In the last 10 years, 275 people have died at the site and no one had previously survived swimming across its breadth.


275 fatalities? What?!


I would think most if not all of those are suicides. Famous places become popular suicide sites. I visited there in 2010 and I don't remember seeing any signs about suicide prevention. I remember somewhere recently where they had signs offering help if you were distressed, numbers to call, etc. Cliffs of Mohr had that in Ireland, but I think I have seen something similar in US, but I can't remember the venue.


I'm calling BS on the numbers. If 2 people a month were jumping we'd all know about it.

See e.g. http://www.hooverdamnotes.com/...er-dam-suicides.html

I'm pretty sure that most news outlets have general policies of not reporting suicides. I worked for a newspaper for a long time, not as a reporter, but I was aware of them not printing articles reporting suicides. I've also heard newscasters say that they don't generally report suicides.
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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'Drunk Briton' ... isn't that redundant?
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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zed707 wrote:
eb wrote:
patf wrote:
eb wrote:
In the last 10 years, 275 people have died at the site and no one had previously survived swimming across its breadth.


275 fatalities? What?!


I would think most if not all of those are suicides. Famous places become popular suicide sites. I visited there in 2010 and I don't remember seeing any signs about suicide prevention. I remember somewhere recently where they had signs offering help if you were distressed, numbers to call, etc. Cliffs of Mohr had that in Ireland, but I think I have seen something similar in US, but I can't remember the venue.


I'm calling BS on the numbers. If 2 people a month were jumping we'd all know about it.

See e.g. http://www.hooverdamnotes.com/...er-dam-suicides.html


I'm pretty sure that most news outlets have general policies of not reporting suicides. I worked for a newspaper for a long time, not as a reporter, but I was aware of them not printing articles reporting suicides. I've also heard newscasters say that they don't generally report suicides.

Sure, but just because most news outlets have general policies of not reporting suicides doesn't mean that we wouldn't know about it if 2 people a month were jumping. Do you really think the coroner wouldn't take an interest?
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [wild hare] [ In reply to ]
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wild hare wrote:
Old Hickory wrote:
wild hare wrote:
patf wrote:
eb wrote:
In the last 10 years, 275 people have died at the site and no one had previously survived swimming across its breadth.


275 fatalities? What?!


I would think most if not all of those are suicides. Famous places become popular suicide sites. I visited there in 2010 and I don't remember seeing any signs about suicide prevention. I remember somewhere recently where they had signs offering help if you were distressed, numbers to call, etc. Cliffs of Mohr had that in Ireland, but I think I have seen something similar in US, but I can't remember the venue.


My Dad worked at Hoover for 15+ years and from the stories he would tell,


You would know this. While on a tour of the dam, someone asked how any people were buried in the cement during the construction . The tour guide answered "none" and that was a tall tale.

What say you?


I finally remembered to ask my Dad - based on word of mouth from old timer on down, there are 3 people in the cement.

For the many years he was there, the suicides happened roughly once a month.

For some reason, "The Highway Men" decided to sing a song about a worker falling into the wet concrete during construction. There must be a few bodies in there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFkcAH-m9W0
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [eb] [ In reply to ]
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eb wrote:
zed707 wrote:
eb wrote:
patf wrote:
eb wrote:
In the last 10 years, 275 people have died at the site and no one had previously survived swimming across its breadth.


275 fatalities? What?!


I would think most if not all of those are suicides. Famous places become popular suicide sites. I visited there in 2010 and I don't remember seeing any signs about suicide prevention. I remember somewhere recently where they had signs offering help if you were distressed, numbers to call, etc. Cliffs of Mohr had that in Ireland, but I think I have seen something similar in US, but I can't remember the venue.


I'm calling BS on the numbers. If 2 people a month were jumping we'd all know about it.

See e.g. http://www.hooverdamnotes.com/...er-dam-suicides.html


I'm pretty sure that most news outlets have general policies of not reporting suicides. I worked for a newspaper for a long time, not as a reporter, but I was aware of them not printing articles reporting suicides. I've also heard newscasters say that they don't generally report suicides.


Sure, but just because most news outlets have general policies of not reporting suicides doesn't mean that we wouldn't know about it if 2 people a month were jumping. Do you really think the coroner wouldn't take an interest?

I don't get why you seem to think this should be some sort of recurring headline. You're aware people jump off the Golden Gate bridge fairly often, right? Doesn't surprise me at all that a bunch of people from Vegas or the nearby vicinity would look to the nearest roughly equivalent landmark to do the deed rather than driving all the way to SF, yet I wouldn't expect to read about it.

The only time I recall reading about the frequent GG bridge suicides in the news was indirectly, when whatever authority that manages the bridge was deciding whether to install safety netting along its length to catch people ~ but it was ostensibly reporting about it as though they were weighing any other infrastructure project, since that was obviously a significant capital expense (although obviously everyone knew the suicide angle was still the underlying news hook).
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/...e_Golden_Gate_Bridge

I remember hearing about this at the time, people wanting to be one of the round numbers in the suicide counts, so they just stopped the counting and reporting. At least to the point where no one could be assured of being 1000 or 1500. Pretty sad really that it is accelerating, but encouraging that they are preventing so many too.

I hated to read down to the youngest to jump, a 5 year old who's dad told him to right before he jumped..That one got me a bit I have to admit.
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
eb wrote:
Sure, but just because most news outlets have general policies of not reporting suicides doesn't mean that we wouldn't know about it if 2 people a month were jumping. Do you really think the coroner wouldn't take an interest?


I don't get why you seem to think this should be some sort of recurring headline. You're aware people jump off the Golden Gate bridge fairly often, right? Doesn't surprise me at all that a bunch of people from Vegas or the nearby vicinity would look to the nearest roughly equivalent landmark to do the deed rather than driving all the way to SF, yet I wouldn't expect to read about it.

The only time I recall reading about the frequent GG bridge suicides in the news was indirectly, when whatever authority that manages the bridge was deciding whether to install safety netting along its length to catch people ~ but it was ostensibly reporting about it as though they were weighing any other infrastructure project, since that was obviously a significant capital expense (although obviously everyone knew the suicide angle was still the underlying news hook).

WTF? Where did I say anything about a recurring headline? There was an unsubstantiated claim early in the thread that 275 people have jumped. No credible evidence has been provided to support that number. I provided a link with some (admittedly weak) evidence that the number is much lower.

I don't particularly care if the popular press doesn't report on suicides. The point I'm trying to make is that death is a highly-regulated industry and someone somewhere has the data even if the popular press doesn't. Are you aware that there is a universe out there that exists regardless of whether the popular press is there to cover it?

I'll repeat: do you really think the coroner wouldn't take an interest? Do you really think the actual number of suicides is not being tracked? Go back in the thread and read the Toronto subway exchange if you don't believe me.
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [eb] [ In reply to ]
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Ugh, I can't imagine how shitty it would be to be a Subway suicide attempt. How fucked up are those people?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
Ugh, I can't imagine how shitty it would be to be a Subway suicide attempt. How fucked up are those people?


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Re: Drunk Briton swam across Hoover Dam and survived [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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I toured the dam. They said what this article says.

Concrete was poured slowly. There is no way anyone could get buried in it.


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