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Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS)
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A newsletter posted on a public bulletin board erected for purposes of enhancing free speech (and that it has to be enhanced at a university is a bit worrying) at the University of Colorado Colorado Springs is making the social media rounds this week.

The tract, entitled "Social Justice Collective Weekly" and published by a student group, states that military veterans "should be banned from UCCS and other four-year colleges." It goes on to accuse veterans of being "unsympathetic" (whatever that means) to the LGBTQ community and that all vets have racist, far-right-wing ideologies. If they're not a white supremacist when they enter the military, they're turned into one by their service, according to the student group. Really? Seriously? ;-)

To UCCS's credit, it immediately disavowed the newsletter and issued a statement defending both free speech -- and the right of the group to post its tract (which I support) as well as the right of veterans to attend the school (which I also support). Also, every student interviewed by the news source in the linked piece disagreed with the newsletter's stance.

I have to say, university is much more interesting these days than when I last walked on a campus as a full-time student. ;-)

Newsletter on UCCS: 'Veterans should be banned from four-year universities'

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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Makes you wonder though, how many of these crazy-ass psychos are walking around college campuses, seeing as how these types of things happen with decent frequency.

I think, much like the 'real world', these fringe folks exist in fairly small numbers but it does seem like more and more of these SJW/PC/snowflake type events are happening every year.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
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Brownie28 wrote:
Makes you wonder though, how many of these crazy-ass psychos are walking around college campuses, seeing as how these types of things happen with decent frequency.

I think, much like the 'real world', these fringe folks exist in fairly small numbers but it does seem like more and more of these SJW/PC/snowflake type events are happening every year.

I think there's always been a certain percentage at university, no matter the century or era. The halls of academia necessarily welcome diverse (Ah! There's that word! ;-) thought and points of view, generally speaking, and there are a fair number of what you'd call "quirky folks" (okay, nutjobs LOL!) running around most any campus.

I just worry what might happen should the inmates ever really take over the asylum. Because they certainly seem to think they've got the momentum -- that they're on the "right side of history," so to speak -- right now. ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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It's a really odd sentiment coming out of UCCS. Military presence is huge in Colorado Springs, and it skews heavily Republican. I guess someone had a bad experience with a jerk (who happened to be a vet) or something.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
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Makes you wonder though, how many of these crazy-ass psychos are walking around college campuses, seeing as how these types of things happen with decent frequency.

I think, much like the 'real world', these fringe folks exist in fairly small numbers but it does seem like more and more of these SJW/PC/snowflake type events are happening every year
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I think more and more of these events are being reported each year.

Tamler Sommers makes a pretty good argument in his Very Bad Wizards podcast (highly recommended) that, while a concern, these events are generally isolated, pointing out that that Charles Murray had given the exact same lecture at around 100 colleges and universities without any problem or even protest, prior to the Middlebury incident. And it's not like Tamler's some postmodern SJW gender/race studies professor.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [triguy98] [ In reply to ]
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triguy98 wrote:
It's a really odd sentiment coming out of UCCS. Military presence is huge in Colorado Springs, and it skews heavily Republican. I guess someone had a bad experience with a jerk (who happened to be a vet) or something.

All it takes is just a handful a students (sometimes even one) to post something stupid, and the internet goes crazy about the downfall of college education, not to mention Duffy wetting himself.

I have two very close friend who teach at UCCS -- one tenured and the other an associate professor. UCCS is still the relatively moderate to conservative campus it has always been.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Generally, my experience was that the true psychos were among the lifers and the enlisted men rather than the soldiers/officers who attended University.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Military lifers are psycho?

Whats a lifer?
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [M~] [ In reply to ]
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M~ wrote:
Generally, my experience was that the true psychos were among the lifers and the enlisted men rather than the soldiers/officers who attended University.

What's a "lifer"? Sounds like someone doing hard time at San Quentin. ;-)

I started my military career as an enlisted man (Navy Hospital Corpsman, hoo-yah! ;-) and finished it as a commissioned officer with multiple college degrees, including at the graduate level. I never really ran across any "psychos" in my 20-plus years of service, and I was raised in the military by plenty of hardcore Vietnam War vets, all of whom had serious lead-slinging trigger time under their belts. And even they weren't psycho.

Maybe my esteemed colleague, Mr. dvfmfidc (his handle means "Diver, Fleet Marine Force, Independent Duty Corpsman"), who also did a full 20-plus-year career, did though. He's kind of medium-psycho himself. ;-)

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For those that haven't spent time in the armed forces, the folks are really a terrific bunch. I frankly cannot imagine a group of folks that have a higher fraction of hard chargers from all walks of life. It's an incredibly diverse group, short only, compared to the civilian world, on wealthy types, wusses, and lefties. It's an environment that tries hard to instill virtues of honor, and self discipline (meaning doing the right thing when it's inconvenient). Sure, you can't compare it to some select group like engineers or other professionals, but a PVT in the military doesn't even make min wage so comparing him with a group Google engineers isn't fair.

By and large, it's really a wonderful bunch.

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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
The halls of academia necessarily welcome diverse (Ah! There's that word! ;-) thought and points of view
What you talking' bout Willis?

The "halls of academia" are far and away the LAST place that welcomes diverse thoughts and points of view. It their way or the highway!
Ever tried to argue a point with your lecturer actually pass the subject, especially if you are trying to put forward a right leaning view?
Yeah, good luck with that!

Here in Australia, even high school has turned my daughter into a left leaning nutter.
I am not looking forward to her coming home from Uni as a raging socialist, but I know its already happening.

And trying to have a reasoned debate with her is met with the typical response of me being a privileged middle aged white man that is a racist, bigot and homophobic neo-nazi.

Our only possible saviour is that her double degree in Law/Science (major in Pharma chemistry) will probably land her a job with a big pharma company on big bucks and her first pay check will erase her memory of her socialist past :-)
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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I used to marvel at all the crazy unexpected backgrounds of "my guys" in my platoon and later in my company. The majority of them were from quite modest backgrounds. Inner city blacks, inner city and migrant labor hispanics, kids from Puerto Rico. Guam, Vietnamese, Thai and Cambodian kids. White kids from every walk of life imaginable. One day I'd be talking to some guys from TX re. their exploits on the rodeo circuit, the next it'd be some dairy farmer kid from WI. Catholics, atheists, jews, a couple black guys that would occasionally insist that they were Muslim despite all outward appearances.

It was a total success story of folks coming from most every walk of life, particularly those that are commonly perceived as not getting along.

In Korea, in fact, each infantry squad gets assigned a Korean kid. 10 Korean (Army) kids in each company. Getting one of those slots, instead of doing a tour with the Korean Army, is hugely competitive so we only get the best Korean applicants. Inevitably they are little guys, but they try so goddamned hard, and never lose the smile from their face, that it can't help but make you love them.

One story that pops in my head is of a squad leader in Korea. He was awesome. Bright, fit, meticulous, responsible. The kind of guy that just never fucks up, his shit and his squad's shit and actions were always strong. A fabulous role model for everyone his area. Everything within 10m of the guy always succeeds. He could be charismatic one minute, and an unrepentant hard-ass the next. Anyone near him would quickly sense a quiet aura of "completely squared away".

That awesome squadleader was black. Half that guy's squad came from poor southern rural areas. Those kids almost certainly had been raised in an environment where their peers talked shit about blacks all the time. Yet they fucking loved their squadleader. It didn't matter what color the squadleader was, it only mattered that he was awesome, he was the reason their squad was awesome, and they'd seen that their squadleader would go thru the gates of hell to help one of them out.

Contrast the above, entirely typical story, with all of the isms that the civilian world can't seem to get over. In the military it's absolutely routine to end up with a crazy diverse bunch and it doesn't take long for them all to become "your family". The exceptions are the wusses, lefties and rich kids, and it's their loss that they don't get to experience what those kids experienced that joined up did.

Consider the relative uselessness of your average 18-21yr old college student, and compare that to the vet that has had so much more life-experience. Tours in foreign countries, some Western, some 3rd world. A real understanding of just how hard some people have it, a new appreciation for the comfort and security of the US, and a true acceptance of people based on how they behave, not on isms. Compared to the vets on campus, most of the rest of the kids are just superficial children.

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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [dvfmfidc] [ In reply to ]
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dvfmfidc wrote:
Military lifers are psycho?

Whats a lifer?

Please note I said generally, not EVERYONE.

We called lifers the ones who enlisted and you knew they were there for a career, until they died or retired.
I met some great enlisted men as well. I am just saying that the REAL psychos that I met were not the educated bunch, they were the doods running across the fields yelling "get some get some" and hurling racial slurs whenever they could. There really weren't many of those, but they were there.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [triguy98] [ In reply to ]
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Colorado Springs is a pretty large city, not everyone is tied to the military. It is a town that boasts Colorado College. A school made up of rich white kids, possibly the most left wing campus in the state, even more left then CU.

UCCS is a branch of CU Boulder. It is a liberal arts school with a terrible graduation rate. The idea that this newsletter came from that school is far from surprising.

triguy98 wrote:
It's a really odd sentiment coming out of UCCS. Military presence is huge in Colorado Springs, and it skews heavily Republican. I guess someone had a bad experience with a jerk (who happened to be a vet) or something.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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30 years 24 days.
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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [dvfmfidc] [ In reply to ]
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dvfmfidc wrote:
30 years 24 days.

Rocks don't live that long, doc. ;-)

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Re: Latest College Outrage: Veterans Should be Banned From All 4-Year Universities (UCCS) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Deep Sea Diving Rocks seem too!
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