So much for a fair and unbiased investigation...

It is also reported that one of the Lawyers Muller has hired worked for the Clinton foundation and actively blocked Freedom of Information Requests for the Foundation.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/politics/trump-mueller-pelosi/index.html



And not to mention (by more than just Trump) that Muller is friends with Comey. It is also reported that one of the Lawyers Muller has hired worked for the Clinton foundation and actively blocked Freedom of Information Requests for the Foundation.

So much for a fair and unbiased investigation...

On the other hand, once he releases the total lack of collusion evidence and no charges (except maybe Flynn), then it'll all look super-credible and Rosenstein will look like a genius.

You mean this guy who was hired by a Trump official (who happened to recommend Comey be fired)? The same guy who has received praise from just about every Republican congressman? The same guy who was appointed to be FBI director by a Republican President?

You forgot Manafort. Manafort as Trumps campaign manager had the RNC change their policy to a pro Russian stance against the Ukraine for money. Roger Stone coordinating with Wikileaks's. Jeff Sessions lying to congress and lying for his security clearance. Oh and Jared for lying on his security clearance also. Not to mention the Trump foundation & Ivanka and Jared's pay for play. Oh yea and Trump and his sons are up to their eye balls in Russian loans and laundered money. The evidence will come and we will see if the Republicans have the balls to bring the charges.

The evidence will come and we will see if the Republicans have the balls to bring the charges.

The sweet irony of the Democrats in the Senate voting to not convict will probably be lost on you and your ilk

That is a possibility and won't be lost on me at all. What is lost on you and your ilk is that our country was attacked by Russia. This shouldn't be a democratic or republican partisan issue. It should be an American issue and we should be doing everything we can to prevent it from happing again. Not being in denial that it happened and sucking up to the country that did it. Trump might as well be deep throating Putin he passed the ball washing stage a long time ago. It is ludicrous that our president will not protect America from Russia but has no problem calling out every other country that supports us.

How did Russia attack us? Please provide evidence.

"This activity by Russian intelligence services is part of a decade-long campaign of cyber-enabled operations directed at the U.S. Government and its citizens. These cyber operations have included spearphishing, campaigns targeting government organizations, critical infrastructure, think tanks, universities, political organizations, and corporations; theft of information from these organizations; and the recent public release of some of this stolen information. In other countries, Russian intelligence services have also undertaken damaging and disruptive cyber-attacks, including on critical infrastructure, in some cases masquerading as third parties or hiding behind false online personas designed to cause victim to misattribute the source of the attack."

Joint statement by the DNI, FBI, and DHS:


Emphasis mine. Of course that's "cyber-attack" not like a conventional warfare attack. But that's implied by the context we're talking about.

And of course the DNI/FBI/DHS hasn't provided much in evidence. Which I think isn't that surprising given that the age-old dilemma of intelligence that revealing your source compromises your source.

Also plenty of private cybersecurity firms confirmed that they see a strong likelihood of Russia being all up in our shit. (though using more technical terms).

Trump needs to pick a narrative, though. . First it was just shrugging off this "Chicken Little" (above) nonsense and it's just business as usual stuff between intelligence services. But more recently Trump tacked upwind and is claiming it's a very serious matter that Obama completely failed at. I'd think he's be better off hiring Perseus above and sticking with idea that it's just Dems "hyperventilating" while dismissing the statements by the FBI, CIA, DNI, DHS, and NSA. (they're all compromised by the Deep State)

You're going to mattresses on spearphishing?

That is a possibility and won't be lost on me at all. What is lost on you and your ilk is that our country was attacked by Russia. This shouldn't be a democratic or republican partisan issue. It should be an American issue and we should be doing everything we can to prevent it from happing again. Not being in denial that it happened and sucking up to the country that did it. Trump might as well be deep throating Putin he passed the ball washing stage a long time ago. It is ludicrous that our president will not protect America from Russia but has no problem calling out every other country that supports us.

Here we go again. I'm not sure if you're just trolling me since I've done this several times. It's far more than "spearphishing" and you're perfectly aware of that.

The attacked election machines. Tried all 50 states, possibly successfully altered the voter rolls in one. (which was reportedly fixed). That's awfully disturbing to me. If the DNC had done that you'd be burning down the DNC HQ. But because it's "just" a hostile foreign government it's like "Awww shucks, those Russians and their shenanigans!"

They talked 2 incoming high-level officials to attempt to establish back-channel communications that bypassed U.S. surveillance. (Read that as using Russia's own phone lines). That's the holy grail of a foreign intelligence service - to have covert communications with high-level government officials. This is not the usual back channel, like President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis. This is a back channel kept secret from our own government.

And there are other things. Which you're also perfectly aware of.

This is a problem. I'm not Chicken Little. I'm not outraged. I don't think Russia is on the verge of running the U.S. government. But I see it as something worth investigating. Throwing a little transparency into the situation is OK.

I think Mueller is a reasonable guy for the job. I hope he's granted the time and resources to do that job, without excessive political interference. I expect the usual character assassination attempts, which are already underway. Ken Starr took his lumps from the Clinton camp. But I hope it stops at that.

Is that hyperventilating on my part? The career intelligence people seem very, very concerned about Russia. I think that means something. Before you cast off their unified speech on the subject, I suggest you take a step back, pull back the zoom lens, and try to examine the issue free from the emotions and hysteria of party politics. I like to think I have. We all can't be perfectly free from bias, though.

But I'll stick with team Mueller.

I'm not trolling I have always maintained and shall always maintain that spearphishing is not an act of war.

Just because Podesta and others at the DNC are idiots and don't know the basics of network security doesn't mean it was an act of war.

The other things that I am apparently not aware of but should be are. . . . .

ADM. ROGERS: There’s an ongoing investigation. I’m just not getting into the specifics. I still think there shouldn’t be any doubt in anybody’s mind. This was not something done casually. This was not something done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily. This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect.

First, I don't know why you keep bringing up spearphishing. That's just a technique to gain entry into a system. The real alleged crime here is a state stealing political information. That's typically called "espionage."

I don't know why you're introducing the word "war." That's sensationalizing things a bit. But cyberespionage is very much in the realm of military defense, and "cyber" is likely a future battleground. The U.S. stood up US Cyber Command (USCYBERCOM) underneath US Strategic Command to coordinate the NSA and all the branches of the military with a cohesive strategy to combat this. That's our state-funded capability. The Russian counterpart goes by the name "Fancy Bear" and "Cozy Bear"



War?




Read up on Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear.

I realize there's a friendship of convenience. Putin hates Hillary, and you hate Hillary. But don't think that because you have common cause that Russia is our friend. Putin don't care. If Putin decides that Elizabeth Warren might be more advantageous as President than Trump in 2020, he'll do that.

In general, if I have one piece of advice: listen to the non-political, non-media professionals:



Right? I don't see that as political posturing or Admiral Rogers manufacturing #fakenews. Think if that specific effect had been to get Hillary elected, and Hillary had been elected? You'd have torches and pitchforks, I think. Set aside the tribal alliance for a second recognize the fundamental issue of national security.

Now calm down, I'm not asking for war! I'm merely asserting that an independent investigation and some public accountability is a good idea. Not with any other end goal in mind except putting transparency into what happened so the electorate can make informed decisions. If the only thing that comes out of it is that the DNC had bad IT, then fine!

a) That is how the DNC got hacked

b) Your rebuttal post cited it as the only verified "attack" on the US

3) I ask for examples of other attacks and you tell me Russia has the capabilities, you know who else has the capabilities. . . .UK, China, N. Korea, Israel, the list goes on.

No attack.

For the record I expect everyone to try and spy on us, allies and enemies alike.

No need to be having a meltdown.

a) That is how the DNC got hacked


How is a relatively trivial detail. The fundamental issue is the theft of private information from a U.S. political party. You refuse to recognize that as an issue, instead choosing the word "spearphishing" with its connotations as an email prank and little more.

b) Your rebuttal post cited it as the only verified "attack" on the US


If you read it that way, my mistake. The U.S. is attacked regularly. Dozens of these are "verified," most are not. You're not satisfied by my definition of verified, and I'm not entirely clear what would constitute "verification" to you. You set a pretty high bar.

3) I ask for examples of other attacks and you tell me Russia has the capabilities, you know who else has the capabilities. . . .UK, China, N. Korea, Israel, the list goes on.



Yes, but we're talking about Russia here. Stay on task.

For the record I expect everyone to try and spy on us, allies and enemies alike.

Do you expect us to respond to those attacks? To win? Or do nothing?

You seem to be stuck a little bit in a tribal rut where because you don't like the target (DNC/Hillary), you minimize the seriousness of the attack.

No need to be having a meltdown.

Does my quote from ADM Rogers indicate he's having meltdown? What about the statements of Clapper. Or Brennan. Question: Is the leadership of nearlyour entire intelligence community have a "meltdown" by publicly acknowledging there's a high probability that the DNC was hacked by the Russians with the intent of affecting the 2016 Presidential election? Why does that see so farfetched? Why does the mere suggestion bother you so much? You might think about that a little.

I'm done with this one. I'll leave you to ponder the DNC's lacking IT skills.:)