He also DNF'ed after the bike in Boulder... Maybe he using IMBoulder as an experiment? I believe he *is* on a P5X now, so maybe he decided to set the P5-6 up in "superman" configuration, found it was really fast aerodynamically, and he tried it in Boulder to see if it was sustainable? That's pretty much the only thing I can think of that makes sense.

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when i think of male athletes i'd really like to take a crack at helping as regards bike position, tyler is right at the top of the list. he's way too strong to be riding the positions he rides. tyler butterfield + me = some great music. or + jim manton or any of several people.

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Huh... I saw him on the run course *shrug*

Sorry. Meant to be an "after" in there. "DNF'ed *after* the bike."

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I had heard he flatted, but maybe that is wrong info and it was lost in translation as it crossed the pacific and got to me in Japan........... ;)

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Ah that makes more sense. At mile 6 you could see he was hurting pretty bad and he walked the aid station at mile 8 so I'm guessing once he got near transition he just called it a day.

I rode out to part of the course where everyone made a downhill right hand turn on to Diagnol Highway. Whereas pretty much all of the other FOP guys were hammering through that turn, you could see Tyler looked a bit tentative in that position. Now I know how fast you take turns is trivial to aero over that distance but I could see how a position that stretched out could compromise your run as your core, shoulders, etc have to work hard(er) to keep you on the bike and going in a straight line.

I talked to him a bit about it at Raleigh last week. I don't think he actually has plans to go to the P5X based on our discussion - he really likes that bike!!! He is also running those funky brakes up front, not the hydros, the ones sebi rides.

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Hard to believe that position would be sustainable and then run over a 70.3 and IM distance. It would also be horrible to control a bike in that position. One hell of a back and core workout...

He saw a preview of Kiley's aero shootout results! Just kidding...

As usual, anytime anyone deviates from what is conventionally accepted fitting practice, people make wild assumptions about what it's like to hold such a position.

I've tried it but not that extreme. It's simple logic if your elbows are below your shoulders your bones are supporting the weight. If your elbows are forward it takes physical effort to hold that position. It's not complicated to understand. That's why supporting columns of a house are vertical and takes extra support if that isn't the case.

That's called the superfoolish position...nothing even remotely similar to the superman position

THIS^

He was on the side of the road for a bit with a wheel issue... He got assistance and finished the bike knowing that he would be out of it. Said he would call it a day at 8 - 10 miles on the run.

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People used to use that position all the time....it was called the 80s.

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That's a lovely Merckx rebranding job there! Or mybe Eddy bought the Lotus moulds?

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A bit off topic, but I wonder if the extension off the back of the seat works like the "splitter plate" idea that Tom A posted a couple weeks back? The idea is that adding a plate onto the back of a cylinder reduces the turbulence / low pressure area on the backside of the cylinder.

this^ so awesome!!!

I've ridden in a similar position in the past and while it's not as comfortable as with the upper arms closer to vertical it's not that big a deal and certainly not horrible for controlling the bike or a major core workout.

He flatted out of contention and pulled the pin on the run. Tyler is experimenting with his position a lot right now. I'm trying to get him to come test with us.

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I think Cervelo athletes have a choice as to what bike they ride. IIRC he signed a lifetime sponsorship deal. I messaged with him a bit before Boulder, I think he is just more comfortable with the P5.

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I'd beg to differ and would agree more so with the first comments of this previous thread...

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Why_don't_we_see_Superman_position_any_more_P2434213/