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US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week?
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He must have a to-do list;

Climate - check - huuuuge win

human rights - next

Whats next bannon?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-us-canada-40173472

Does he do it?

Is this bigger or smaller than the climate one
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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I'm still waiting for the opposition against Saudi Arabia having a seat on the UN Human Rights Council...
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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But, but, but .... Saudi Arabia? Are you opposed to all countries that still have the death penalty ;).

BTW, it looks like we aren't leaving (today).
Last edited by: oldandslow: Jun 6, 17 8:57
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Did you read the article? Since you are normally one of the more sane posters I would think you did. That said, you may want to change your title. Haley did not say we are pulling out.

"The United States is looking carefully at this council and our participation in it. We see some areas for significant strengthening," she said.

You can find some of the same type of comments while GW Bush was in office. Bush, like every President we have had dating back to Reagan (with the exception of Obama) felt the Human Right council was a joke. Obama loved it because, well, Obama just wanted everyone to like us.

The Human Rights council, much like the UN in general is a joke. The Human Rights council spend all their time on Israel, ignoring any other abusers. Haley was discussing, specifically Venezuela. Which the Human Rights council has stayed silent on while passing more anti-Israel motions.

Andrewmc wrote:
He must have a to-do list;

Climate - check - huuuuge win

human rights - next

Whats next bannon?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-us-canada-40173472

Does he do it?

Is this bigger or smaller than the climate one
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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But, but, but .... Saudi Arabia?

Don't you find it a little odd that there is such opposition to a UNHR resolution against Israel but there are none against Saudi Arabia and that the Saudi's actually have a seat on the council?

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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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No.
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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whether or not it's strategic (or even on puropse), these sorts of headlines draw heat away from other areas, and that may be a welcome relief to the administration right now.

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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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The WH equivalent of 'oh look! a squirrel!'
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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I did - i decided to go all zerohedge with this title, though to be fair the climate one started the same way, rumour and it turned out they left ;)
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
But, but, but .... Saudi Arabia?

Don't you find it a little odd that there is such opposition to a UNHR resolution against Israel but there are none against Saudi Arabia and that the Saudi's actually have a seat on the council?

I also find it a bit odd that Saudi Arabia is also on the council for women's rights. Seems like a really bad joke. But at the same time let's not forget that there are plenty of human rights abuses from Israel so we can't give them an automatic pass despite the obvious double standard..
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
I did - i decided to go all zerohedge with this title, though to be fair the climate one started the same way, rumour and it turned out they left ;)

next time, remember betteridge's law of headlines.

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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Leaving the Paris agreement and leaving the Human Right's Council's are two very different things. One is a Council we have been a party to for decades. One in which we disagree with often, have criticized often but have always stayed on. The other was a joke when it was negotiated and when it was signed.

Had any President but Obama unilaterally signed on to the Paris agreement all hell would have broken loose. Had any President but Trump pulled us out cheering would have ensued. It was a terrible deal that would have cost the United States billions while doing nothing for climate change. Kyoto had enforcement mechanisms and no one who signed on met their goals. They didn't even come close. Yet we think that countries are now going to voluntarily do the right thing. Crazy, again, seems that pulling out had more to do with hatred of Trump then fear of climate change.

Andrewmc wrote:
I did - i decided to go all zerohedge with this title, though to be fair the climate one started the same way, rumour and it turned out they left ;)
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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jwbeuk wrote:
Leaving the Paris agreement and leaving the Human Right's Council's are two very different things. One is a Council we have been a party to for decades. One in which we disagree with often, have criticized often but have always stayed on. The other was a joke when it was negotiated and when it was signed.

Had any President but Obama unilaterally signed on to the Paris agreement all hell would have broken loose. Had any President but Trump pulled us out cheering would have ensued. It was a terrible deal that would have cost the United States billions while doing nothing for climate change. Kyoto had enforcement mechanisms and no one who signed on met their goals. They didn't even come close. Yet we think that countries are now going to voluntarily do the right thing. Crazy, again, seems that pulling out had more to do with hatred of Trump then fear of climate change.

Andrewmc wrote:
I did - i decided to go all zerohedge with this title, though to be fair the climate one started the same way, rumour and it turned out they left ;)

If the Paris accord was so shitty, why did Trump support it so emphatically, including invoking the perils of climate change, when Obama was in Paris to sign it?
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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jwbeuk wrote:
Leaving the Paris agreement and leaving the Human Right's Council's are two very different things. One is a Council we have been a party to for decades. One in which we disagree with often, have criticized often but have always stayed on. The other was a joke when it was negotiated and when it was signed.

Had any President but Obama unilaterally signed on to the Paris agreement all hell would have broken loose. Had any President but Trump pulled us out cheering would have ensued. It was a terrible deal that would have cost the United States billions while doing nothing for climate change. Kyoto had enforcement mechanisms and no one who signed on met their goals. They didn't even come close. Yet we think that countries are now going to voluntarily do the right thing. Crazy, again, seems that pulling out had more to do with hatred of Trump then fear of climate change.
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Well, except for when they got sick of us complaining about...human rights abuses, and punted us for a short while.
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For First Time, U.S. Is Excluded From U.N. Human Rights Panel
By BARBARA CROSSETTEMAY 4, 2001


In a move that reflected a growing frustration with America's attitude toward international organizations and treaties, the United States was voted off the United Nations Human Rights Commission today for the first time since the panel's founding under American leadership in 1947.
The ouster of the United States from the commission while nations like Sudan and Pakistan were chosen for membership was certain to generate further hostility to the United Nations among conservatives in Washington.
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http://www.nytimes.com/...an-rights-panel.html
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Re: US to pull out of UN Human Rights Council - has he got a thing about a treaty / organisation a week? [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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If the Paris accord was so shitty, why did Trump support it so emphatically, including invoking the perils of climate change, when Obama was in Paris to sign it?

I think that was when you weren't supposed to take him literally.

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