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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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By the way, Trump's comment about Germany being "bad, very bad" is garnering a lot of airplay

Maybe it's time DJT forgives them for bombing Pearl Harbor?

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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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You really do need to learn how to place links into your posts.

Krauthammer is upset because Trump didn't specifically say we would come to Europe's aid if they were attacked. Golly gee, did he have to write it out in crayon for his critics? Two, the CNBC story is another "inside sources say". Yet again, other sources who were in the meeting stated he is unhappy about Germany's trade surplus, hit to you, he isn't alone in being unhappy about the way Germany and Merkel do business. Ask any European leader how they feel about the subject and you will get an earful.


Trump does a lot of things wrong, but his statements at NATO were spot on.


As for Obama, he looks like an idiot. The guy is the ultimate narcissist.


oldandslow wrote:
Interesting take from Krauthammer:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5448692260001/?#sp=show-clips

By the way, Trump's comment about Germany being "bad, very bad" is garnering a lot of airplay:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/26/trump-calls-germans-very-bad-threatens-to-end-german-car-sales-reports.html
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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jwbeuk wrote:
You really do need to learn how to place links into your posts.

Krauthammer is upset because Trump didn't specifically say we would come to Europe's aid if they were attacked. Golly gee, did he have to write it out in crayon for his critics? Two, the CNBC story is another "inside sources say". Yet again, other sources who were in the meeting stated he is unhappy about Germany's trade surplus, hit to you, he isn't alone in being unhappy about the way Germany and Merkel do business. Ask any European leader how they feel about the subject and you will get an earful.


Trump does a lot of things wrong, but his statements at NATO were spot on.


As for Obama, he looks like an idiot. The guy is the ultimate narcissist.


oldandslow wrote:
Interesting take from Krauthammer:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5448692260001/?#sp=show-clips

By the way, Trump's comment about Germany being "bad, very bad" is garnering a lot of airplay:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/26/trump-calls-germans-very-bad-threatens-to-end-german-car-sales-reports.html



Reading this about BO on a post about Trump is quite amusing.
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
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We'll let's be honest. The 2% isn't a suggestion. It's a stated goal, set down on paper by the NATO members. It's true that it isn't a requirement, but it's not just a suggestion

Oh, and congrats to Norway on having good winter gear. When you are able to specialize in basically one climate, it tends to be a bit easier.


Trumps still does not know how NATO is funded. That is just strange.

Nice excuse for not having winter gear. The troops from UK have good gear. Also, the USA has a state called Alaska. It is quite hard weather there.


Are you under the impression that we spend a lot of time operating in Alaska? And did you just try to compare the US military with the UK's? I'm not sure you have an appreciation for the scope of difference.

I was under the impression that the US military could manage to have OK equipment.
Seriously how hard is it to have cold weather gear. Especially after being in a country like Afghanistan where it is cold.
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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Yet again, other sources who were in the meeting stated he is unhappy about Germany's trade surplus, hit to you, he isn't alone in being unhappy about the way Germany and Merkel do business. Ask any European leader how they feel about the subject and you will get an earful.


So, you talk to every European leader? Wow, that's awesome. BTW, are you pro-tariffs? That is exactly where Trump is going. I don't see anything that Trump has said on trade as being particularly helpful. Perhaps you want to support protectionism?
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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I think its pretty clear in europe that germany has held greece and italys feet to the fire, wants to do the same to france with respect to debt but constantly breaches the surplus guidelines. I know i am now a trump ball washer but germany only acts in its own interests.

Obviously the bmw comments were idiotic but the wider point is correct
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Obviously the bmw comments were idiotic but the wider point is correct

It is not the world's burden to endlessly parse complete idiocy and spin it in a way that makes it barely acceptable.
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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As we all know. Angela Merkel is the leader of the free world.
No one takes Trump seriously, especially since he still does not know how NATO is financed.
The 2% is a suggestion, not a requirement.

Also, if you do not go to stupid wars around the world, you can be a little bit smarter with your military expenses.
Fun fact, the US Marines went on a winter exercise in Norway and their equipment sucked. It is not that hard or expensive to have good equipment in snow.
https://kitup.military.com/...-showing-arctic.html


That article seemed to have a fairly negative bias, and I suspect some of the gear being tested is new. For example, they talk about pack failures and breaking frames, and yet the standard USMC pack is the ILBE, which is made by Arcteryx (based on the Bora), and it is quite stout and functional (I used to own one).

I'm not sure what the USMC uses for cold weather gear, but the clothing systems used by the Army and Air Force like ECWCS and PCU are actually pretty good. Some of it is made by Patagonia, for example, and they incorporate good materials like Polartec (Levels 1, 2, and 3), Nextec (Levels 4 and 5), Gore-Tex (Level 6), and Primaloft (Level 7). I buy a fair bit of this stuff because you can pick it up dirt-cheap as surplus, and it's fairly effective if not quite as light and refined as the top outdoor brands.
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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You're right, so obama made the same criticism of NATO members and many of the 27 members of the EU as well as the european council have repeatedly commented on germanys trade surplus to no avail. Nothing he said was new though ironically in spite of being an idiot / clown which we mostly agree he is, when he says it it is far more concerning for germany than when a member of the eu says it

Trump being like a stopped clock can also be right twice a day............
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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You're right, so obama made the same criticism of NATO members ...


... and many of them shifted their spending. Did you even see the Krauthammer video? I very seldom agree with him, but his view that commitment to mutual defense was vastly more important than the 2% spending target was spot on. NATO has some issues, but Trump's been off the charts ridiculous, and he is harping on specific "America Only" topics without solidly committing to Article 5 is troubling. He could actually do both....
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
You're right, so obama made the same criticism of NATO members and many of the 27 members of the EU as well as the european council have repeatedly commented on germanys trade surplus to no avail. Nothing he said was new though ironically in spite of being an idiot / clown which we mostly agree he is, when he says it it is far more concerning for germany than when a member of the eu says it

Trump being like a stopped clock can also be right twice a day............

Then he's way ahead of the snowflake Canuks.
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Travis R] [ In reply to ]
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Travis R wrote:
oldandslow wrote:
By the way, Trump's comment about Germany being "bad, very bad" is garnering a lot of airplay


Maybe it's time DJT forgives them for bombing Pearl Harbor?

THREAD WINNER RIGHT THERE!!!
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
You're right, so obama made the same criticism of NATO members and many of the 27 members of the EU as well as the european council have repeatedly commented on germanys trade surplus to no avail. Nothing he said was new though ironically in spite of being an idiot / clown which we mostly agree he is, when he says it it is far more concerning for germany than when a member of the eu says it

Trump being like a stopped clock can also be right twice a day............

Then he's way ahead of the snowflake Canuks.

BURN! Wow you are awesome. The best. So interesting. Please post more.

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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
Travis R wrote:
oldandslow wrote:
By the way, Trump's comment about Germany being "bad, very bad" is garnering a lot of airplay


Maybe it's time DJT forgives them for bombing Pearl Harbor?


THREAD WINNER RIGHT THERE!!!

I thought that nailed it. But figured it went over the heads of a lot of LR Trump supporters. LOL!!
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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Krauthammer is upset because Trump didn't specifically say we would come to Europe's aid if they were attacked. Golly gee, did he have to write it out in crayon for his critics?

Attacked by who? Martians? There are no threats left that justify NATO. Hence the need to hype the Russian bogeyman
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
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Amen
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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jwbeuk wrote:

Krauthammer is upset because Trump didn't specifically say we would come to Europe's aid if they were attacked. Golly gee, did he have to write it out in crayon for his critics?


Attacked by who? Martians? There are no threats left that justify NATO. Hence the need to hype the Russian bogeyman

How quickly we forget that the only time the NATO collective defense clause was invoked.

Hint, it wasn't in defense of Europe.
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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   So Merkel has made a couple of widely reported comments about the EU having to take care of themselves. Is this good news, bad news,...just news? It seems like a mostly positive effect of Brexit and Trump to me.
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""The times when we could completely rely on others are, to an extent, over," Merkel said at a beer hall(!) rally to support her campaign.
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http://www.cnn.com/...mp-europe/index.html
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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Of course thats after they have attempted to stiff the UK for 100bn euro's because quite rightly the existing northern countries do not want to make up the short fall from the UK leaving and southern countries will not accept a cut in handouts........

Its all good talk from merkel but she needs to put her money where he mouth is
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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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I love how this story is being reported as a huge loss for Trump.

A Germany that doesn't freeload is exactly what Trump has been talking about.








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Re: I am no Trump fan but........ [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:
jwbeuk wrote:

Krauthammer is upset because Trump didn't specifically say we would come to Europe's aid if they were attacked. Golly gee, did he have to write it out in crayon for his critics?


Attacked by who? Martians? There are no threats left that justify NATO. Hence the need to hype the Russian bogeyman


How quickly we forget that the only time the NATO collective defense clause was invoked.

Hint, it wasn't in defense of Europe.

Fail.

You don't need NATO to attack a few cave dwelling ragmuffins outraged about the U.S. putting troops in their holy land and living in a lawless part of a godforsaken country unless you are intent on goosing your domestic ratings by starting a larger war against a regime that had nothing to do with 9/11. The only thing NATO proved useful for is telling the U.S. not to start an unprovoked war in Iraq, and the U.S. didn't listen.
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