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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I use the level forearms position all the time on my S5 with the cervelo handlebar. 130 -17 stem. Only use the drops for sprinting.
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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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Orbilius wrote:
I use the level forearms position all the time on my S5 with the cervelo handlebar. 130 -17 stem. Only use the drops for sprinting.

So why are you carrying around those extra pieces of tubing that are just adding drag? :-/

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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I don't win from a solo break, I win from a sprint.
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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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Orbilius wrote:
I don't win from a solo break, I win from a sprint.

So you never get into breakaways then either, huh? Aero is "always on", even in a draft...

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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I get into breaks, but have never made them stick.

The always on comment I believe. Even drafting in the pack it's an aero bike/wheels/fast tires/skin suit/low body position. Why waste energy?
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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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Orbilius wrote:
I get into breaks, but have never made them stick.

The always on comment I believe. Even drafting in the pack it's an aero bike/wheels/fast tires/skin suit/low body position. Why waste energy?

Exactly...so back to those tubes you carry around in the wind all the time... :-/

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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I will gladly suffer the drag of my drops during a race in order to have a fast, safe and powerful sprint position.

Would you contest a field sprint from the hoods?
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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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Orbilius wrote:

The always on comment I believe. Even drafting in the pack it's an aero bike/wheels/fast tires/skin suit/low body position. Why waste energy?


Except if you watch bike racing, people firmly in a pack are almost never low, unless the race is lined out single file and really fast. So the huge aero benefits of body position seemingly aren't worth the cost of comfort when effort is <FTP. Except maybe TomA keeps his nose to the stem (in the drops) for the entire 90 minutes of a crit. Of course you can get aero benefits with no loss of comfort with aero equipment, so why not. I just think this line of reasoning is talking about something pretty marginal.

Aero bikes are going to earn their keep when they're in the wind. Breakaways, gap closing, and coming around the last guy in a sprint.
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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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Orbilius wrote:
I will gladly suffer the drag of my drops during a race in order to have a fast, safe and powerful sprint position.

Would you contest a field sprint from the hoods?

No...but I do from my drops, which are most likely at a higher position relative to the saddle and BB than you have. You just bend your arms :-)

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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
It's about "slam that stem" leading to compromises.

The drops were intended to be the position that's the best control (which is why the brake levers are configured the way they are) AND the most aero. If you need to be on the hoods to get into that position, then your drops are too low. It's that simple. However, modern fashion dictates that to look "pro", you MUST have a super low headtube top and tons of drop, which makes doing that "hard"...


Tom, love your site and everything you do / say !!

On straight roads I try and ride on the hoods with bent arms but I never thought of my body being any lower that when I am in the drops. I always just thought I was putting my forearms in a more aero position.

In the below photo, keeping the body position the same, would there be any aero benefit of changing the arm position by putting the hands on the hoods ?


Note - Photo taken from here http://bikeblather.blogspot.de/...playtime-part-2.html
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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
Orbilius wrote:
I use the level forearms position all the time on my S5 with the cervelo handlebar. 130 -17 stem. Only use the drops for sprinting.


So why are you carrying around those extra pieces of tubing that are just adding drag? :-/

This statement is Phil Gaimon approved.


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Re: Interesting Aero Road Bike Shootout [KarlC] [ In reply to ]
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KarlC wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
It's about "slam that stem" leading to compromises.

The drops were intended to be the position that's the best control (which is why the brake levers are configured the way they are) AND the most aero. If you need to be on the hoods to get into that position, then your drops are too low. It's that simple. However, modern fashion dictates that to look "pro", you MUST have a super low headtube top and tons of drop, which makes doing that "hard"...


Tom, love your site and everything you do / say !!

On straight roads I try and ride on the hoods with bent arms but I never thought of my body being any lower that when I am in the drops. I always just thought I was putting my forearms in a more aero position.

In the below photo, keeping the body position the same, would there be any aero benefit of changing the arm position by putting the hands on the hoods ?


Note - Photo taken from here http://bikeblather.blogspot.de/...playtime-part-2.html

Don't know (since we didn't test it), but probably not a great amount since with even that moderate amount of bend in my arms (yes, even I should probably raise my bars), most of my forearms are being "shielded" by the drops in front of them...

Plus, it's hard to argue with a CdA of ~.265m^2 for that position. Some folks would kill for that for their tri position/equipment ;-)

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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