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Exxon to Trump - back off
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Even Exxon is telling Trump not to back out of the Paris climate change agreement.


I really believe that this could be the defining moment that the USA may abdicate the right under Trump to stop calling themselves "leaders of the free world" if they pull out of the Paris agreement on climate change, because they would then be the only country not on board with this treaty and can't influence the rest of the world to join them. In fact, this would likely be the moment when the rest of the western world shrugs their shoulders, throws up their hands and say "fuck Trump, he's an idiot, they voted for him, and now let's carry on by ourselves without the USA". There have been many other issues that other allies have not agreed with beginning back as far back as the Viet Nam war but the USA has still remained the world leader. This could be the issue that isolates the USA and could hurt on future policies in terms of maintaining worldwide influence. Personally, I think common sense will prevail and Trump won't pull out, but who knows.

http://money.cnn.com/...tml?iid=hp-stack-dom
Last edited by: cerveloguy: Mar 29, 17 18:33
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Exxon was a snowflake company anyway. Science, scientists, and anyone with a brain are 100% frauds engaged in a global conspiracy against the Republican party.

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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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iO4 wrote:
Exxon was a snowflake company anyway. Science, scientists, and anyone with a brain are 100% frauds engaged in a global conspiracy against the Republican party.

We've gotta bring back the pink, otherwise some just won't get it. 97% of climate scientists are saying human contribution to global warming is real, but obviously this is just "fake news".
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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At least 97% of those 97% are on the Daily Kos payroll, didn't you know?
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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I'd like to hope that you're right with the last sentence, by cynicism is starting to feel like common sense. Not sure that I feel happy cheering on Exxon...but they're not alone. So many corporations out there know that moving to clean energy, etc., is the right move for business. Lots of companies are pitching in for climate change research and environmental restoration dollars, especially those in the West that can't survive without water. Hell, the Department of Defense acknowledges (and has for a while) that the worse it gets, the more conflict we are going to be dealing with.
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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There is no "97% consensus", except in the minds of the believers. http://dailycaller.com/...s-on-global-warming/
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [Jim @ LOTO, MO] [ In reply to ]
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There is no "97% consensus", except in the minds of the believers. http://dailycaller.com/...s-on-global-warming/


Your using an article from a right wing reporter in The Daily Caller to refute the overwhelming majority of scientists?

You're kidding, right?


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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
There is no "97% consensus", except in the minds of the believers. http://dailycaller.com/...s-on-global-warming/


Your using an article from a right wing reporter in The Daily Caller to refute the overwhelming majority of scientists?

You're kidding, right?



That 97% figure has debunked numerous times by numerous people. So much so that I thought people stopped saying it.

Google is your friend.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
There is no "97% consensus", except in the minds of the believers. http://dailycaller.com/...s-on-global-warming/


Your using an article from a right wing reporter in The Daily Caller to refute the overwhelming majority of scientists?

You're kidding, right?



That 97% figure has debunked numerous times by numerous people. So much so that I thought people stopped saying it.

Google is your friend.

Who are these so called "numerous people"? Certainly not climate scientists.
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Just google it.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
Just google it.

Just did. How about the NASA site since it came up first. Or is that too "fake news" for you?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Just google it.

Just did. How about the NASA site since it came up first. Or is that too "fake news" for you?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Read it...

https://www.forbes.com/...-wrong/#46fc50583f9f

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Just google it.


Just did. How about the NASA site since it came up first. Or is that too "fake news" for you?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


Read it...

https://www.forbes.com/...-wrong/#46fc50583f9f


Forbes vs NASA? A populist pro business writer with a B.A. in Philosophy. He's not a scientist nor does he even have any kind of science education. No credibility IMHO.
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Just google it.


Just did. How about the NASA site since it came up first. Or is that too "fake news" for you?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


Read it...

https://www.forbes.com/...-wrong/#46fc50583f9f


Forbes vs NASA? A populist pro business writer with a B.A. in Philosophy. He's not a scientist nor does he even have any kind of science education. No credibility IMHO.

Care to point out any factual errors in the story?

And it doesn't take a special kind of climate scientist to verify the accuracy of a poll claim.

For example, we know the gender wage gap is bs without the help of climate scientists.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Just google it.


Just did. How about the NASA site since it came up first. Or is that too "fake news" for you?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


Read it...

https://www.forbes.com/...-wrong/#46fc50583f9f



Forbes vs NASA? A populist pro business writer with a B.A. in Philosophy. He's not a scientist nor does he even have any kind of science education. No credibility IMHO.


Care to point out any factual errors in the story?

And it doesn't take a special kind of climate scientist to verify the accuracy of a poll claim.

For example, we know the gender wage gap is bs without the help of climate scientists.


To quote from the article I posted:

Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.


I will take their word for it. There is little doubt that humans are effecting the climate of our planet. I don't understand why you are always in such denial. Do you also believe the world is flat?
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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There is little doubt that humans are effecting the climate of our planet. I don't understand why you are always in such denial.

I've never expressed my opinion here on the above assertion.


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Do you also believe the world is flat?


No.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
Last edited by: Duffy: Apr 1, 17 12:09
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Re: Exxon to Trump - back off [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Just google it.


Just did. How about the NASA site since it came up first. Or is that too "fake news" for you?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


Read it...

https://www.forbes.com/...-wrong/#46fc50583f9f



Forbes vs NASA? A populist pro business writer with a B.A. in Philosophy. He's not a scientist nor does he even have any kind of science education. No credibility IMHO.


Care to point out any factual errors in the story?

And it doesn't take a special kind of climate scientist to verify the accuracy of a poll claim.

For example, we know the gender wage gap is bs without the help of climate scientists.


To quote from the article I posted:

Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.


I will take their word for it. There is little doubt that humans are effecting the climate of our planet. I don't understand why you are always in such denial. Do you also believe the world is flat?


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Where did most of the 97 percent come from, then? Cook had created a category called “explicit endorsement without quantification”—that is, papers in which the author, by Cook’s admission, did not say whether 1 percent or 50 percent or 100 percent of the warming was caused by man. He had also created a category called “implicit endorsement,” for papers that imply (but don’t say) that there is some man-made global warming and don’t quantify it. In other words, he created two categories that he labeled as endorsing a view that they most certainly didn’t.

The 97 percent claim is a deliberate misrepresentation designed to intimidate the public—and numerous scientists whose papers were classified by Cook protested:

“Cook survey included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral.”

—Dr. Richard Tol

“That is not an accurate representation of my paper . . .”

—Dr. Craig Idso

“Nope . . . it is not an accurate representation.”

—Dr. Nir Shaviv

“Cook et al. (2013) is based on a strawman argument . . .”

—Dr. Nicola Scafetta

Think about how many times you hear that 97 percent or some similar figure thrown around. It’s based on crude manipulation propagated by people whose ideological agenda it serves. It is a license to intimidate.

https://www.forbes.com/...rong/2/#7aea6b034141

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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