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When did the pubs and the russian communist party start working closely together to undermine our democracy and way of life? When did it start? How deep does it go? Who will be the scapegoat?

How will the republican party recover and regain the trust of the American public in the face of colluding with the enemy like this? Can you believe that Obama had the nerve to push that solar and wind crap down the throats of the American people?

We are seeing a new page of history here that I think is going to get bigger before it gets smaller. Anyone care to put down some predictions for bragging rights later?

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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When did the pubs and the russian communist party start working closely together to undermine our democracy and way of life?

In reality? Never.

In the minds of the deranged Trump haters? About 9:46 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2016.

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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I would say modern Russia is more fascist than anything
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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy is good with side deals on policy being made with the Russians between several leaders within the Republican party including those with national security ties in exchange for hacking and leaking information against another candidate ahead of a presidential election. Am I interpreting correctly?

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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Who was hacked?

By who?

Proof?

Do you know what "hacking" means?

Btw, I'm all for exposing the truth about those in, or seek, power. However that truth is discovered and exposed is just fine by me.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Your prediction that it is all false?

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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iO4 wrote:
Your prediction that it is all false?

Your characterization of what, if anything, happened is most likely false.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
I would say modern Russia is more fascist than anything

This, with too many economic ties to the west that singling out Trump and team is silly. There are numerous articles of team Clinton and Podesta specifically making millions working with the Russians. I told the story of members of the Exxon-Mobile audit team I worked on doing a lot of consulting work in post soviet Russia, it was like a capitalist free for all until the Russians realized the west was basically paying off a few former soviet bureaucrats making them billionaire oligarchs overnight in order to get access to Russian assets for pennies on the dollar. Putin exploited this common sentiment in Russia to become a hero to his people.

So in short, communism fell, Yeltzin was a self serving western puppet that allowed foreign interest to come in and rape and pillage Russian assets the detriment of average Russians, Russians caught on as former party bosses and bureaucrats became billionaires while the average Russian froze to death or starved, so they democratically elected a strong man who promised to reclaim what was they felt was theirs by force if necessary, improve the lives of Russians, and bring back former Russian glory not seen since the USSR. And while I don't think he has fulfilled promises, the lives of Russians have improved since yetlzin left. They aren't freezing to death and starving like they were.

Meanwhile, the bush administration was a very good time for the former Clinton officials. The contacts made while in the administration and no longer being shackled by restrictions that being a gov't employee imposes mean millions could be made, and it was. This was the same during the Clinton years with many republicans. But make no mistake, it is Clinton administration officials who are much closer to Russian business interest than Donald Trump. They were the ones in power with exclusive access to bureaucrats who became billionaire oligarchs post fall. They were the ones who enabled US corporations to surmount the red tape and obstacles that were inherent in dealing with former cold war adversaries. Not Bush. And these same people further facilitated business relationships under Obama with Clinton the State Dept.

Its all interrelated, go to davos. Who were the biggest obstacles to imposing economic sanctions on Russia? Europeans, especially in Europe's financial centers where billions in Russian Oligarch money flowed and propped up the economies. Buying property in London is expensive. If not impossible. The Grosvenors as a family are one of the largest landowners of the few landowners in London, they own the plot that US embassy is on, and that remains the only leased land for a US embassy to my knowledge. Yet Russians oligarchs have found a way to break into this exclusive club.

http://citywire.co.uk/...perty-bubble/a748658

I bet AndrewMC knows more about the Grosvenors and how Russian money coursing through the veins of Europe and the UK in particular have insulated a lot of shady Russian oligarchs from any sort of punitive sanctions.


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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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Should I also put you down for "didn't happen"?

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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This post makes no sense.
The use of language is wrong.

The new approved freedom language:

1) Socialist and communist don't have economic meanings
2) "Socialist" means bad.
3) "Communist" means really bad
4) "Dictator" means super extra bad.
5) Putin is good.
6) Therefore Putin is NOT a "communist."
8) It is communist to say Putin is a communist.
9) Trump is extra super good.
10) SO you are a "dictator" if you imply Putin and Trump are communists.

Also:
1) Free trade is communist
2) Open borders are communist
3) A free press is communist
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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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iO4 wrote:
When did the pubs and the russian communist party start working closely together to undermine our democracy and way of life? When did it start? How deep does it go? Who will be the scapegoat?

How will the republican party recover and regain the trust of the American public in the face of colluding with the enemy like this? Can you believe that Obama had the nerve to push that solar and wind crap down the throats of the American people?

We are seeing a new page of history here that I think is going to get bigger before it gets smaller. Anyone care to put down some predictions for bragging rights later?

Even the crazy Canucks aren't coming to help you out. Better question, when did the Democratic Party become the party of nuts? I thought the Tea Party Conservatives were nuts. You make those folks look sane.
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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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Got you down for a "nothing to see here".

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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I don't understand your initial question since it is very one sided and based on a false premise. As I described in detail in another thread and to a lesser exent here, the meme that Trump is colluding with Russians is silly. Because elected officials and staff have been colluding or working with Russian oligarchs and officials to further their own personal interest for decades. So much so that it would be impossible for any administration to impose restrictions or sanctions on the Russian gov't or key players without a detrimental impact on members of those respective admins and multiple US economies. Russian money and interest has wedded itself into our politics and economies long before Putin was even in power, and it has only gotten stronger. That ship sailed. The difference is unlike Saudi Arabia, which are very much is comparable, Russia is a former adversary and hostile player on the geopolitical spectrum. China is to, but to a lesser extent. You cannot penalize any of the above without negative impacts on your own domestic economy or powerful interest within your own borders. This dog and pony show of Faux outrage by the democrats and republicans when they aren't in power is and always has been silly. This is why people like McCain and Graham like the Cold War, there was a definite enemy we could point fingers at and focus energy on in order to push other political agendas.

You know whose district would be the most impacted by sanctions against Russia? Schumer, Gillibrand and whatever democrat congressman obviously represent Manhattan. Followed only by Florida, which is an even split between the two parties. Russian money and influence is coursing through the bipartisan economic veins of the US. I guarantee you players from all parties are on tape somewhere dealing with Russian interest. I guarantee you the Russian ambassador has made several visits to members of both parties offices that go largely unnoticed because they happen so often and their discussions are no different than any potential ones trumps transition team may have had, oh wait...

http://www.foxnews.com/...erous-democrats.html

http://dailycaller.com/...ssador-on-iran-deal/

http://www.politico.com/...slyak-meeting-235653

I'm not outraged by their discussions with the ambassador, it is to be expected. I'm outraged at their outrage.


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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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You may want to worry more about which Obama officials will be going to jail. Spying on American's for political gain, then not redacting names while passing around the info for political purpose is not cool, nor legal.

Oh, and yes. You can put me down for "nothing to see here". Unless of course you are talking about nutty lefties losing it on a daily basis. Then there is a lot to see here.

By the way, do you know anything about the Communist Party and do you know anything about how much power that party has in Russia? Or are you just another sheep, following along with the crazies trying to find a scapegoat for the mess that the Democratic Party is?

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Got you down for a "nothing to see here".
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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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That's a good point. And liberal hero Bob Woodward, who I always felt was pretty honest says they have a potential problem with that.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/...gross_violation.html

Trust me, I wouldn't want to be the democratic hack appointee who executed or authorized that. Because after this dust clears, that person is going to jail.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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TheForge wrote:
That's a good point. And liberal hero Bob Woodward, who I always felt was pretty honest says they have a potential problem with that.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/...gross_violation.html

Trust me, I wouldn't want to be the democratic hack appointee who executed or authorized that. Because after this dust clears, that person is going to jail.

Ha Ha! Right after the Trump administration! You are living in a fantasy world if you can't see Trump is up to his eyeballs in colluding with the Russians! Someone associated with Trump goes to jail long before anyone in the Obama administration does!
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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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I don't normally bet on things but I'm willing to. If nobody from the Hillary campaign was prosecuted over something as simple as a clear violation of law and policy with regard to classified info with a republican majority in both houses, you think a trump admin guy will for something as complex as this. So far we have Nunes saying the incidental capture wasn't even on Russian monitors. Who was it a monitor of? I could see somebody like manafort getting in trouble. But he was let go. One could argue the trump campaign saw a risk and severed that risk once it became clear as any responsible campaign would do.

You aren't very good at this. I think Tyrod is a college student at best. Sounds like you are to.


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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [iO4] [ In reply to ]
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When did the pubs and the russian communist party start working closely together to undermine our democracy and way of life? When did it start? How deep does it go? Who will be the scapegoat?

The really odd thing to me is how so many at least appear to be indifferent to the Trump administrations ties to Russia. There is a lot of smoke now but many seem not to care if the problems are pursued, looking at it as just more proof that people are unhinged or still can't accept the election loss. I have a sense that even if there are confirmed close ties, it's okay because Hilary lost and the end justifies the means. If Hilary was in the Whitehouse and the tables were turned, you would see the exact same thing from those who are now indifferent, demanding hearing after hearing and lots of outrage.

I think a lot of that is, just like Trump, they don't really understand Putin. He's a far off figure in a country that really hasn't been a threat for a long time. I remember when Romney said Russia was the biggest threat to America when he ran in 2012. Many Republicans agreed (the same ones who now say the opposite) and most Democrats laughed but Romney was right.

I think any of his aides, particularly Mannafort will be the fall guy. They are already doing it by saying he had a minor role for a short period of time. Maybe Mannafort or Flynn will fight back if they are cornered, neither appears to be the kind of man who will just accept public humiliation and walk away.

How will the republican party recover and regain the trust of the American public in the face of colluding with the enemy like this?

I've said over and over that winning the election is the only thing that matters and for Trump supporters, that is how it will stay. There is no chance they will ever admit that Trump did anything wrong because as long as Hilary isn't in office, it can't be that bad.

We are seeing a new page of history here that I think is going to get bigger before it gets smaller. Anyone care to put down some predictions for bragging rights later?

Both sides will always claim bragging rights.

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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I don't normally bet on things but I'm willing to. If nobody from the Hillary campaign was prosecuted over something as simple as a clear violation of law and policy with regard to classified info with a republican majority in both houses, you think a trump admin guy will for something as complex as this. So far we have Nunes saying the incidental capture wasn't even on Russian monitors. Who was it a monitor of? I could see somebody like manafort getting in trouble. But he was let go. One could argue the trump campaign saw a risk and severed that risk once it became clear as any responsible campaign would do.

You aren't very good at this. I think Tyrod is a college student at best. Sounds like you are to.

Nunes is a hack that has blown any credibility! It had been stated by other members of the committee that they do in fact have evidence of collusion. Not circumstantial! So we shall see! They have documented proof Manafort was responsible for changing the republican platform to benifit the Russians. He was Trump's campaign manager for 5 months. So good luck with that bullshit distancing line. I think you are a little like Trump. Enamored with your own perceived intellect. Time will tell.
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THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!!!! All lefties are now Cold Warriors. Cool.

How do you people get through the day. Team Obama have a problem. Keep your eye on the bouncing ball. Someone's in trouble and it isn't the Donald.

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TheForge wrote:
That's a good point. And liberal hero Bob Woodward, who I always felt was pretty honest says they have a potential problem with that.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/...gross_violation.html

Trust me, I wouldn't want to be the democratic hack appointee who executed or authorized that. Because after this dust clears, that person is going to jail.


Ha Ha! Right after the Trump administration! You are living in a fantasy world if you can't see Trump is up to his eyeballs in colluding with the Russians! Someone associated with Trump goes to jail long before anyone in the Obama administration does!
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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]
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What do you think the Russian's have on Trump to make him do those things?

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The complete indifference/denial while not a surprise for normal issues is kind of amazing to me on something of this magnitude.

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Re: Republican party "breaking commie" bracket [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Like I said, I don't think either side wants the world to see how intertwined Russian money and power players are in our economy. So the dems will milk this as long as they can until it is time to start really digging deep. Because barring a trump campaign or transition official on tape saying ignore the crap Obama is saying, we will do x, y, and z for Russian once in, there isn't anything that doesn't happen daily on capital hill with visiting ambassadors. I also don't think the incidental monitoring has anything to do with Russia, but other allies, so the intelligence community never wants that stuff to see the light of day, but responsible members of both parties don't either in order to prevent international relations nightmares.

So my guess is we see some sterilized report that basically shows that members of the campaign had some questionable, but not illegal ties to Russia in the past and that party leadership and campaign officials appropriately distanced themselves when that became apparent. As for the incidental monitoring, we will hear that some officials were caught in standard monitoring of foreign officials of some allies, but they won't release who leaving us to speculate it was Saudi Arabia, Germany, Israel, or Britain, but I suspect the second two. But the lack of names and clarity will basically leave both side vindicated, with Trump being able to say that he was monitored now synonymous with wiretapped, and the most partisan dems believing he colluded with the Russians. Something for everyone to confirm their preconceived notions.

That's where we are, and this debate beyond those who have actually dealt with politics on a national level or worked in DC simply don't get that.


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