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Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists
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Hello All,

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/...cense-in-ca-part-ii/

People v. McKay goes into detail about what constitutes satisfactory ID, and two of the main requirements appear to be:
1. Must be documentary
2. Must, in addition to other identifying information, include a current address

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/4th/27/601.html.

People v. McKay specifically cites to 12591 as proof that the legislature intended users of the roadway to carry ID. This is a bicycle case about a bicyclist who was arrested for a municipal bicycling infraction because he did not have satisfactory ID even though he gave his name and address, which were accurate.

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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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This is one of these things where I don't understand Americans. Why make it so complicated? It's not that hard to carry your ID when riding a bike. Just do it instead of always whining about it. If you carry it, there's no problem. If you don't and end up in trouble you can scream how your rights are being violated but at the end of the day, whatever problem you get into, no matter whether it's fair or not, is something that you can avoid by carrying your ID.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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Wait a sec. You can vote without an ID but you need to have an ID to ride a bicycle?


nealhe wrote:
Hello All,

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/...cense-in-ca-part-ii/

People v. McKay goes into detail about what constitutes satisfactory ID, and two of the main requirements appear to be:
1. Must be documentary
2. Must, in addition to other identifying information, include a current address

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/4th/27/601.html.

People v. McKay specifically cites to 12591 as proof that the legislature intended users of the roadway to carry ID. This is a bicycle case about a bicyclist who was arrested for a municipal bicycling infraction because he did not have satisfactory ID even though he gave his name and address, which were accurate.

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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Benv] [ In reply to ]
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most teens/kids would not have an id with their address on it, so............

are they not allowed to ride bikes on the road ?
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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jeffp wrote:
most teens/kids would not have an id with their address on it, so............

are they not allowed to ride bikes on the road ?

Is that what I suggested or implied? I'm saying if you have an ID, you can make your life much easier by carrying it. If you don't have one, well then you can't carry it with you, right?
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Hello jeffp and All,

Seth comments:

"CVC Sec. 40302.5 protects a minor from arrest for failure to produce a driver license in a case not involving a motor vehicle infraction.

I think in most cases the cop is not going to arrest the minor if he has no ID unless the kid is obstreperous. If you want to be absolutely safe, though, I'd recommend minors to ride with a CA ID card. It's cheaper than a nice training tire."

Cheers, Neal

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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Benv] [ In reply to ]
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you have to look at what OP is saying. are we given the option?

I don't ride in CA, so I will leave with that
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Benv] [ In reply to ]
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Benv wrote:
This is one of these things where I don't understand Americans. Why make it so complicated? It's not that hard to carry your ID when riding a bike. Just do it instead of always whining about it. If you carry it, there's no problem. If you don't and end up in trouble you can scream how your rights are being violated but at the end of the day, whatever problem you get into, no matter whether it's fair or not, is something that you can avoid by carrying your ID.

Because we have a Bill of Rights, can't be searched without a legally justified reason (theoretically), and don't have to produce papers to the police at their will.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Rumpled] [ In reply to ]
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Rumpled wrote:
Benv wrote:
This is one of these things where I don't understand Americans. Why make it so complicated? It's not that hard to carry your ID when riding a bike. Just do it instead of always whining about it. If you carry it, there's no problem. If you don't and end up in trouble you can scream how your rights are being violated but at the end of the day, whatever problem you get into, no matter whether it's fair or not, is something that you can avoid by carrying your ID.


Because we have a Bill of Rights, can't be searched without a legally justified reason (theoretically), and don't have to produce papers to the police at their will.
This is exactly what I meant.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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- - - and you probably need proof of citizenship so you don't get deported.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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Putting aside stupid issues that are apropos of nothing, riding your bike with a baggie of meth is far more important to why you will be arrested than not having proper ID.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Rumpled] [ In reply to ]
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I thought if the cops ask for your ID you have to show them regardless if their is cause or not. Not talking about searching you, but if you are walking down the street, and a cop asks for your ID, they have the legal right to do this, yes??

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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Nope. Not if you are not doing anything wrong, or maybe more like not appearing to the officer to be doing anything wrong.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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Obstreperous. I learned something. Thanks.
nealhe wrote:
Hello jeffp and All,

Seth comments:

"CVC Sec. 40302.5 protects a minor from arrest for failure to produce a driver license in a case not involving a motor vehicle infraction.

I think in most cases the cop is not going to arrest the minor if he has no ID unless the kid is obstreperous. If you want to be absolutely safe, though, I'd recommend minors to ride with a CA ID card. It's cheaper than a nice training tire."

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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
I thought if the cops ask for your ID you have to show them regardless if their is cause or not. Not talking about searching you, but if you are walking down the street, and a cop asks for your ID, they have the legal right to do this, yes??
In California, there is no law to allow this. A Terry stop requires a legal standard to be met to ask for ID.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Benv] [ In reply to ]
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Benv wrote:
Rumpled wrote:
Benv wrote:
This is one of these things where I don't understand Americans. Why make it so complicated? It's not that hard to carry your ID when riding a bike. Just do it instead of always whining about it. If you carry it, there's no problem. If you don't and end up in trouble you can scream how your rights are being violated but at the end of the day, whatever problem you get into, no matter whether it's fair or not, is something that you can avoid by carrying your ID.


Because we have a Bill of Rights, can't be searched without a legally justified reason (theoretically), and don't have to produce papers to the police at their will.
This is exactly what I meant.

By making a statement about supporting my rights you say I am making it complicated?

We are citizens, not subjects.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Benv] [ In reply to ]
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Benv wrote:
jeffp wrote:
most teens/kids would not have an id with their address on it, so............

are they not allowed to ride bikes on the road ?


Is that what I suggested or implied? I'm saying if you have an ID, you can make your life much easier by carrying it. If you don't have one, well then you can't carry it with you, right?

So they can give me a ticket for not putting my foot down at a deserted intersection? Nah, credit card is all I carry, "sorry officer...Im from Canada and we don't have the same rules..."

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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
Wait a sec. You can vote without an ID but you need to have an ID to ride a bicycle?

No, you're free to ride without an ID. The question is simply whether it's good practice to do so.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Rumpled] [ In reply to ]
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Rumpled wrote:

Because we have a Bill of Rights, can't be searched without a legally justified reason (theoretically), and don't have to produce papers to the police at their will.


I think the idea here is that after you've been stopped for probable cause (say you're suspected of not putting your foot down at a stop sign), that things can go much more smoothly for you if you have an ID.

Not that cops are stopping cyclists for no discernible reason and doing a "Papers, please."
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [Rumpled] [ In reply to ]
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Depends on how you make that statement and depends on whether or not you are white.
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Re: Carry California Drivers License or California ID Recommended For Cyclists [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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I carry my ID and health insurance card on all rides just in case something happens and I'm non responsive. If for no other reason so my family is quickly notified.

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JustinNorCal wrote:
I carry my ID and health insurance card on all rides just in case something happens and I'm non responsive. If for no other reason so my family is quickly notified.

Same, plus debit card for a stop at Wawa, if need be

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