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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [Ringmaster] [ In reply to ]
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Ringmaster wrote:
I have a degree in mechanical engineering. However, I completely agree with you. More emphasis should be put on trades and I encourage (or will encourage) all three of my son's to explore those options first.

But I'd be very careful about which trade to pick, some may also become redundant in the future. I suppose some new technical jobs will be created to maintain the automation, but not as much to compensate for the job loss.
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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [orchidrun] [ In reply to ]
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so true

orchidrun wrote:
Saw Mike Rowe on Tucker last night talking about this very thing. Guidance counselors need to start directing kids towards non-college vocations --- plumbers, electricians, mechanics will always be needed and those jobs require analysis and decision making that may be performed by robots waaaaay into the future, but not until AI is much further advanced. We have all been brainwashed into believing that a four year degree is the only/best way to secure your future earnings. My daughter (25) has a four year degree and can't get a "real" job. My son (28) opted for a trade and is earning close to 6 figures.....

They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [orchidrun] [ In reply to ]
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orchidrun wrote:
Saw Mike Rowe on Tucker last night talking about this very thing. Guidance counselors need to start directing kids towards non-college vocations --- plumbers, electricians, mechanics will always be needed and those jobs require analysis and decision making that may be performed by robots waaaaay into the future, but not until AI is much further advanced. We have all been brainwashed into believing that a four year degree is the only/best way to secure your future earnings. My daughter (25) has a four year degree and can't get a "real" job. My son (28) opted for a trade and is earning close to 6 figures.....

I am president and part owner of a mechanical contracting firm. We have 6 guys who are sub 30 earning just below 6 figures who served their apprenticeship and schooling through us (i.e. No student loans education was paid for)

If I could find 6 more good ones today I would hire them
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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]
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ironmayb wrote:
orchidrun wrote:
Saw Mike Rowe on Tucker last night talking about this very thing. Guidance counselors need to start directing kids towards non-college vocations --- plumbers, electricians, mechanics will always be needed and those jobs require analysis and decision making that may be performed by robots waaaaay into the future, but not until AI is much further advanced. We have all been brainwashed into believing that a four year degree is the only/best way to secure your future earnings. My daughter (25) has a four year degree and can't get a "real" job. My son (28) opted for a trade and is earning close to 6 figures.....


I am president and part owner of a mechanical contracting firm. We have 6 guys who are sub 30 earning just below 6 figures who served their apprenticeship and schooling through us (i.e. No student loans education was paid for)

If I could find 6 more good ones today I would hire them

Sad to say that those 6 probably don't really even have to be all that good....just show up to work on time, every day with an appetite/aptitude to learn, able to accept criticism/correction while learning, understanding what a commitment means and a decent attitude that doesn't scream I AM SPECIAL.
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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [orchidrun] [ In reply to ]
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orchidrun wrote:
ironmayb wrote:
orchidrun wrote:
Saw Mike Rowe on Tucker last night talking about this very thing. Guidance counselors need to start directing kids towards non-college vocations --- plumbers, electricians, mechanics will always be needed and those jobs require analysis and decision making that may be performed by robots waaaaay into the future, but not until AI is much further advanced. We have all been brainwashed into believing that a four year degree is the only/best way to secure your future earnings. My daughter (25) has a four year degree and can't get a "real" job. My son (28) opted for a trade and is earning close to 6 figures.....


I am president and part owner of a mechanical contracting firm. We have 6 guys who are sub 30 earning just below 6 figures who served their apprenticeship and schooling through us (i.e. No student loans education was paid for)

If I could find 6 more good ones today I would hire them


Sad to say that those 6 probably don't really even have to be all that good....just show up to work on time, every day with an appetite/aptitude to learn, able to accept criticism/correction while learning, understanding what a commitment means and a decent attitude that doesn't scream I AM SPECIAL.

yep. Most of them in the trades fit that category. I just cant find enough of them. The ones who are good, by their mid 30's transition into the office as sales/project managers making low 6 figures for 30 years working 40 and saving their bodies from wear and tear. The others make low 6 figures with healthy pension and benefits and retire from the field in mid to late 50's after 30-35 years.

All live solid middle class life on 1 income, upper middle if they have dual income. If their spouse is teacher, nurse etc etc. they are sitting very pretty by 30ish YO.
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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [orchidrun] [ In reply to ]
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Actually if most employers could get workers like that they would say they are pretty good. Maybe I am saying the same thing you said?


orchidrun wrote:
ironmayb wrote:
orchidrun wrote:
Saw Mike Rowe on Tucker last night talking about this very thing. Guidance counselors need to start directing kids towards non-college vocations --- plumbers, electricians, mechanics will always be needed and those jobs require analysis and decision making that may be performed by robots waaaaay into the future, but not until AI is much further advanced. We have all been brainwashed into believing that a four year degree is the only/best way to secure your future earnings. My daughter (25) has a four year degree and can't get a "real" job. My son (28) opted for a trade and is earning close to 6 figures.....


I am president and part owner of a mechanical contracting firm. We have 6 guys who are sub 30 earning just below 6 figures who served their apprenticeship and schooling through us (i.e. No student loans education was paid for)

If I could find 6 more good ones today I would hire them


Sad to say that those 6 probably don't really even have to be all that good....just show up to work on time, every day with an appetite/aptitude to learn, able to accept criticism/correction while learning, understanding what a commitment means and a decent attitude that doesn't scream I AM SPECIAL.

They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
Actually if most employers could get workers like that they would say they are pretty good. Maybe I am saying the same thing you said?


orchidrun wrote:
ironmayb wrote:
orchidrun wrote:
Saw Mike Rowe on Tucker last night talking about this very thing. Guidance counselors need to start directing kids towards non-college vocations --- plumbers, electricians, mechanics will always be needed and those jobs require analysis and decision making that may be performed by robots waaaaay into the future, but not until AI is much further advanced. We have all been brainwashed into believing that a four year degree is the only/best way to secure your future earnings. My daughter (25) has a four year degree and can't get a "real" job. My son (28) opted for a trade and is earning close to 6 figures.....


I am president and part owner of a mechanical contracting firm. We have 6 guys who are sub 30 earning just below 6 figures who served their apprenticeship and schooling through us (i.e. No student loans education was paid for)

If I could find 6 more good ones today I would hire them


Sad to say that those 6 probably don't really even have to be all that good....just show up to work on time, every day with an appetite/aptitude to learn, able to accept criticism/correction while learning, understanding what a commitment means and a decent attitude that doesn't scream I AM SPECIAL.


We are same

They are for the most part very good just not enough of

Too many are off getting 6 figure student loans while these are making 40k while school is paid for (5 yr apprenticeship) and 60k immediately after with OT and good benes
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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [Guffaw] [ In reply to ]
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I don't see the large influx of East Asians that are coming to the SF Bay Area leaving anytime soon. They are putting down roots and bringing over the entire extended family.
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Re: It won't just be blue collar jobs disappearing. [scorpio516] [ In reply to ]
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I don't see automation taking many more jobs, maybe 10-15%. Computers and CAD already wiped out the numbers - true drafters almost don't exist anymore. CAD monkeys are now freshly graduated Architecture students. The project head backed up by a team of drafters is long gone.

I've been a system administrator for 25 years. We started with big expensive servers and operators would load tapes all night to back them up. Every disk failure meant spending all night replacing it and laboriously restoring the data by manually loading many backup tapes. It took a lot of people to take care of them. Then disks got cheap enough to mirror our data and we got robotic tape loaders so backups and restores could run unattended so we didn't need as many people. Then moving storage from servers to SANs allowed us to improve performance and reliability so we needed even fewer people. Then we started to use virtualization for most of our servers so almost all repairs and maintenance could be done online with no downtime so we needed even fewer people. Now we are moving to the cloud and soon most of us will be out of a job.

There really isn't any end to it. Amazon and similar stores will put most local salesmen out of business. Self-driving trucks will replace truckers. Why have local warehouses when you can overnight anything from across the country?
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