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ajthomas
Feb 28, 17 7:30
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I was thinking about how different things are then just 35 years ago.

I don't want to get into the weeds about what Reagan did, but the short version he struck a deal with the Ayatollah prior to the election to get credit for the release of hostages and promised arms to fight Iraq in return. He did this because his bigger strategy was that to win the cold war we couldn't have a real war in the middle east. So the ends justified the means; and if you accept this narrative it is kind of hard to argue otherwise.

Why I bring this up: it seems that today it would be impossible for a President to take that course of action. Is this a good thing? I don't think so...
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vitus979
Feb 28, 17 7:59
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I don't want to get into the weeds about what Reagan did, but the short version he struck a deal with the Ayatollah prior to the election to get credit for the release of hostages and promised arms to fight Iraq in return.

That isn't how it went down.








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Old Hickory
Feb 28, 17 8:19
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I remember watching on live TV the reporters standing on the beaches as the tanks came ashore in the invasion of Granada. That was 1983. I knew then that the world had changed forever.
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Duffy
Feb 28, 17 8:41
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but the short version he struck a deal with the Ayatollah prior to the election to get credit for the release of hostages and promised arms to fight Iraq in return.


Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.


Next you'll tell us that story about George HW Bush getting flown to Iran in a SR71 jet to secure the deal? Amirite?
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windywave
Feb 28, 17 9:06
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ajthomas wrote:
I was thinking about how different things are then just 35 years ago.

I don't want to get into the weeds about what Reagan did, but the short version he struck a deal with the Ayatollah prior to the election to get credit for the release of hostages and promised arms to fight Iraq in return. He did this because his bigger strategy was that to win the cold war we couldn't have a real war in the middle east. So the ends justified the means; and if you accept this narrative it is kind of hard to argue otherwise.

Why I bring this up: it seems that today it would be impossible for a President to take that course of action. Is this a good thing? I don't think so...

It was the guy on the grassy knoll who had just flown in on the Roswell spaceship and the deal was to keep the faking of the moon landing hush hush.
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JSA
Feb 28, 17 9:11
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ajthomas
Feb 28, 17 9:33
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Duffy wrote:
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but the short version he struck a deal with the Ayatollah prior to the election to get credit for the release of hostages and promised arms to fight Iraq in return.


Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.

Well yeah, other than that is what happened I agree.

Do you think Reagan scared them with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse?

Don't be thick, you Reagan Ball-Washer.
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Duffy
Feb 28, 17 9:35
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Do you really believe what you wrote in the OP?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Feb 28, 17 9:42
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ajthomas wrote:
I was thinking about how different things are then just 35 years ago.

I don't want to get into the weeds about what Reagan did, but the short version he struck a deal with the Ayatollah prior to the election to get credit for the release of hostages and promised arms to fight Iraq in return. He did this because his bigger strategy was that to win the cold war we couldn't have a real war in the middle east. So the ends justified the means; and if you accept this narrative it is kind of hard to argue otherwise.

Why I bring this up: it seems that today it would be impossible for a President to take that course of action. Is this a good thing? I don't think so...

You realize that the arms transfers didn't happen until 1985 and were for completely different hostages, right? And what this has to do with the cold war is mystifying.

Also, your October conspiracy theory has been pretty much debunked. Here's some facts from those who were there: http://www.factcheck.org/...reagan-and-hostages/
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gregtryin
Feb 28, 17 9:46
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Cavechild
Feb 28, 17 10:51
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I know you don't want to get into the weeds, but Reagan actually struck a deal with Uflee the supreme leader of the planet Zern. In exchange for the crashed UFO from Area 51, It facilitated the release of the hostages.
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outerlimit
Feb 28, 17 11:46
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ajthomas wrote:
I don't want to get into the weeds about what Reagan did, but the short version he struck a deal with the Ayatollah prior to the election to get credit for the release of hostages and promised arms to fight Iraq in return.
I think you are mixing up two separate events.

The Ayatollah demanded the US return the Shah so he could be put on trial and when President Carter refused Iranian students captured the American embassy and held 60 Americans hostage for 444 days. There have been suggestions that the Reagan campaign was in contact with Iran and to guaranty a Reagan win prevented the hostages from being released until after he was sworn in. While this is a theory I don't think any "smoking gun" has been found proving this allegation.

The arms sale to Iran was 6 years later to free 7 American hostages in Lebanon.
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