Re: Canada picking up the slack [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]

Jan 30, 17 15:03

Post #26 of 42 (1250 views)

So what your saying is Canada limits immigration of poor people and/or those from war torn areas who can't be vetted?

That's not what I said at all.

All immigrants, including refugees are screened and the process for them takes about 18 months. There is an in-depth vetting process starting with thecountry they land in or the UNHCR. Then visa officials meet with them and their families, then a security check by Interpol etc., etc. It is even more stringent in the U.S., so the idea that refugees are not screened is simply not true.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [Fleck] [ In reply to ]

Jan 30, 17 15:04

Post #27 of 42 (1250 views)

Fleck wrote:

Americans (the U.S. kind) voted for a change of plans. It's how our system of democracy works. You should get familiar with it.

That's fine and I respect that.

People do have a right to speak out and many have.

But the criticism of Trump's moves, and in particular the Friday EO concerning immigration has come from far and wide within his own GOP party, from the head's of some of the largest brands and businesses in the world (Nike, Starbucks, Google, Facebook etc . .), from many the leaders of many foreign countries, The Mayors of most of the larger cities in the U.S., even from Wall Street - I note that late today, the CEO of Goldman Sacks has even waded into the fray, calling Trump out on this.

How much opposition to this do you need to see, before you might consider the fact that Trump's gone over the line here?

So it's a fact that Trump has gone over the line? Are you sure? You might want to read the below. Yes a bad initial execution of the the order but not an order unlike a few POTUS' had executed in year's past.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/are-we-going-to-freak-out-every-time-trump-does-what-he-promised/

Re: Canada picking up the slack [Fleck] [ In reply to ]

Jan 30, 17 15:09

Post #28 of 42 (1248 views)

I wonder, did you rant when Obama shut down immigration from Iraq for 6 months? How about Jimmy Carter from Iran during the hostage crisis? FDR and those pesky Jews who wanted to immigrate? Or is it just Donald Trump that pisses you, as a Canuck off? A temporary hold on Immigration from 7 countries has been implemented. It was implemented poorly but it is temporary, not permanent. But you have an issue with it, ok.

So, Mr. Canuck. Can we assume that you are in favor of Canada dropping their discriminatory vetting process and opening their borders? I'm cool with the Canadians doing so but I'm not a Canadian citizen so I'll just keep my mouth shut about the goings on in your little country up there.

Fleck wrote:

Americans (the U.S. kind) voted for a change of plans. It's how our system of democracy works. You should get familiar with it.

That's fine and I respect that.

People do have a right to speak out and many have.

But the criticism of Trump's moves, and in particular the Friday EO concerning immigration has come from far and wide within his own GOP party, from the head's of some of the largest brands and businesses in the world (Nike, Starbucks, Google, Facebook etc . .), from many the leaders of many foreign countries, The Mayors of most of the larger cities in the U.S., even from Wall Street - I note that late today, the CEO of Goldman Sacks has even waded into the fray, calling Trump out on this.

How much opposition to this do you need to see, before you might consider the fact that Trump's gone over the line here?

Re: Canada picking up the slack [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]

Jan 30, 17 15:21

Post #29 of 42 (1244 views)

I wonder, did you rant when Obama shut down immigration from Iraq for 6 months? How about Jimmy Carter from Iran during the hostage crisis? FDR and those pesky Jews who wanted to immigrate?

There is a difference between shutting down immigration with a country you are in a war with compared with a ban against 7 countries that have no history of committing any terrorism attacks in the U.S., while not banning people from countries that do have a history of terrorism in the U.S. You can see that so it is clear you are simply defending Trump because of partisanship.

So, Mr. Canuck. Can we assume that you are in favor of Canada dropping their discriminatory vetting process and opening their borders?

Canada's vetting process is the same for every country. It only changes in the case of refugees who have fled their country in case of war, famine, political or religions persecution. You call that discrimination, we call it humanitarian.

Last edited by: Sanuk: Mar 17, 17 10:32

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 16, 17 19:37

Post #30 of 42 (1185 views)

windywave wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-canada-idUSKBN15C0RI?il=0

Thanks guys I appreciate it. You have lots of extra room. To be perfectly honest you have better benefits so I am surprised why you are not preferred over the US. Anywho, since many of the Canadians have been lambasting the US, I'm assuming you're willing to take any and all refugees without regard for anything and not doing any vetting and taking in any amount that wants to show up. I sho' hope that doesn't implode your social services you're always bragging on and end up with any culture clashes (you seem to have integrated Quebec so well). Well I await your gushing about Trudeau and how awesometastic this development is especially in like a decade. Here's toasting a shot of Seagram's with a Molsen.

http://www.reuters.com/...canada-idUSKBN16N1W0

And so it begins. Wonder how all y'alls position will change. I propose instead of deporting people we just give them a bus ticket to Canada.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 17, 17 0:51

Post #31 of 42 (1163 views)

Well quite frankly, your loss our gain.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [racin_rusty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 17, 17 5:36

Post #32 of 42 (1140 views)

racin_rusty wrote:

Well quite frankly, your loss our gain.

We'll check back in a few years amigo.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 17, 17 6:46

Post #33 of 42 (1122 views)

windywave wrote:

veganerd wrote:

windywave wrote:

Sanuk wrote:

I'm assuming you're willing to take any and all refugees without regard for anything and not doing any vetting and taking in any amount that wants to show up.

I think you've been reading to many of the fear mongering headlines from Trump. So, to put things into a little perspective here is what happens in Canada for refugees.

First, any refugee has to be certified as a refugee by the country they have landed in or by the UNHCR, not an easy process when there are hundreds of thousands of refugees lining up. Next, Canadian officials go to the country they are in to confirm your identity (also not easy for refugees who don't always have identity papers. No papers, the process stops). Next, officials from Canada interview you and the entire family. Next is a security screening with Interpol and to check for any criminal activity. Then comes a medical screening for you and the family.

A refugee family of 4 will need $27,000 to enter. Then, they have to find a sponsor and the sponsor has to complete a questionnaire of 150 questions. If the sponsor tells a lie, the process stops.

The immigration process for refugees takes on average 18 months. The process is harder in the U.S because all refugees are screened by the various intelligence agencies.

Since 1975, not 1 American has been killed in the U.S by a refugee coming from one of the 7 countries with the ban.

So to answer your question, Canada would be more than happy to take the refugees that were approved to come to the U.S because those people have been screened very carefully.

You guys will let people come in with a tourist visa with minimal review. You can keep them, we will take the refugees.

That wasn't my takeaway from the article I thought JT was just swooping in and offering everyone maple candy. (For the record the OP was tongue in cheek directed at a certain subset of my northern neighbors on here, someone I'm not naming names but his initials are CaptainCanada seems to be one of them)

im not sure you understand anyones position here. you seem to have this drive with excluding the middle and pretending the only choices are to block everyone or allow everyone without scrutiny. your arguments just dont match up to reality.

Did you read the posts? This is directed at the asshattery of certain posters lambasting the US. It doesn't have to match up to reality because they don't

Are you new here?

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 17, 17 10:28

Post #34 of 42 (1102 views)

windywave wrote:

racin_rusty wrote:

Well quite frankly, your loss our gain.

We'll check back in a few years amigo.

There is no less than 10 families from Mexico living in our community right now. All hard working, strong contributors to the community. The one American otoh, a light fingered, drug using, scamming sleaze ball. Now if I'm supposed to be a narrow minded uneducated Canadian as asserted by a certain person on this forum. Which nationality am I going to prefer as neighbours?

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 17, 17 10:42

Post #35 of 42 (1094 views)

http://www.reuters.com/...canada-idUSKBN16N1W0

And so it begins. Wonder how all y'alls position will change. I propose instead of deporting people we just give them a bus ticket to Canada.

Now the risk of terror attacks in Canada just went through the roof...

So, just to clarify, in terms of the Muslim ban that is struggling to get passed, do you think America would be safer by temporarily banning people from 6 countries? Would you personally feel safer?

You might think we in Canada are living in a dream world but personally, I think the real risks of terror attacks are more related to ISIS, the drone attacks under Obama that killed thousands of innocent people, the unquestioned support of Israel etc. That may sound incredibly naive to people who believe the real risk is with refugees (who have never committed a terrorist attack in the U.S) but it's not really that outlandish if you stop and think about it.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [racin_rusty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 17, 17 12:06

Post #36 of 42 (1087 views)

racin_rusty wrote:

windywave wrote:

racin_rusty wrote:

Well quite frankly, your loss our gain.

We'll check back in a few years amigo.

There is no less than 10 families from Mexico living in our community right now. All hard working, strong contributors to the community. The one American otoh, a light fingered, drug using, scamming sleaze ball. Now if I'm supposed to be a narrow minded uneducated Canadian as asserted by a certain person on this forum. Which nationality am I going to prefer as neighbours?

Are they there legally?

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 17 4:57

Post #37 of 42 (1066 views)

Pretty sure the American isn't. Oh, you mean the Mexicans? Who cares? They're all filling a gap in labour force, specifically low paying agricultural job.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 17 17:23

Post #38 of 42 (1042 views)

It appears the situation has changed a bit: http://mobile.reuters.com/...ewsOne/idUSKBN16O2W3

Re: Canada picking up the slack [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 17 18:14

Post #39 of 42 (1033 views)

Except that we have had visa requirements for Mexican nationals for a number of years now. Their counter threat is to require Canadians visiting their country to obtain visa's. Ahem - really? Did they go to the same school of economics as Trump? Snowbirds will just find another place to get warm & relax.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [jwbeuk] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 17 20:38

Post #40 of 42 (1015 views)

jwbeuk wrote:

I wonder, did you rant when Obama shut down immigration from Iraq for 6 months? How about Jimmy Carter from Iran during the hostage crisis? FDR and those pesky Jews who wanted to immigrate? Or is it just Donald Trump that pisses you, as a Canuck off? A temporary hold on Immigration from 7 countries has been implemented. It was implemented poorly but it is temporary, not permanent. But you have an issue with it, ok.

So, Mr. Canuck. Can we assume that you are in favor of Canada dropping their discriminatory vetting process and opening their borders? I'm cool with the Canadians doing so but I'm not a Canadian citizen so I'll just keep my mouth shut about the goings on in your little country up there.

Fleck wrote:

Americans (the U.S. kind) voted for a change of plans. It's how our system of democracy works. You should get familiar with it.

That's fine and I respect that.

Little country?? Ours is bigger then yours :-)

People do have a right to speak out and many have.

But the criticism of Trump's moves, and in particular the Friday EO concerning immigration has come from far and wide within his own GOP party, from the head's of some of the largest brands and businesses in the world (Nike, Starbucks, Google, Facebook etc . .), from many the leaders of many foreign countries, The Mayors of most of the larger cities in the U.S., even from Wall Street - I note that late today, the CEO of Goldman Sacks has even waded into the fray, calling Trump out on this.

How much opposition to this do you need to see, before you might consider the fact that Trump's gone over the line here?

Re: Canada picking up the slack [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 17 22:30

Post #41 of 42 (996 views)

Quote:

That wasn't my takeaway from the article, I thought ...

Most people in the LR find this very difficult to believe.

Re: Canada picking up the slack [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]

Mar 19, 17 7:38

Post #42 of 42 (971 views)

GreenPlease wrote:

It appears the situation has changed a bit: http://mobile.reuters.com/...ewsOne/idUSKBN16O2W3

Meaning the floodgates are open and soon very soon you'll realize having loads of illegal immigrants isn't necessarily a great thing? Or is it the denial of entry to folks?

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