This is one of the stupidest statements I've heard on here. People can only be wrong and hurtful if they intend to be wrong and hurtful is the inference of this. That's asinine. There's really no point in addressing anything further with you. As is typical with your dialogue here, you're so busy never being wrong in your own mind that you miss it when you might not be entirely right.

Here's what I actually said: You won't often find biological parents doing this to their own kid.

Now, I could have gotten all politically correct and super sensitive to the feelings of adoptive parents and children everywhere, and said, "You won't often find biological parents doing this to their biological children," I suppose. But I am entirely sure everyone who read that statement knew exactly what I meant, and I maintain that jumping to the conclusion that I was accusing Duffy of not being his kid's "real" dad is unreasonable. There was no such implication in that statement. I make no apologies for it. If you find that statement hurtful, you're over-sensitive.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

No you've misread the story. The man who was convicted of assaulting a child (not this child in question) in 2011 was the partner of the murdering mother at the time of the adoption of this child.

The guy that raped and killed this special needs child was the subsequent partner.

But yes the underlying point of your statement holds true; how many people are not doing their jobs to permit these type of people to adopt kids?

And nobody from The State will suffer any consequences or be held accountable in any way, shape or form. If they do pin something on a government employee, that employee will either be laterally transferred to another job, promoted to a better position or given early retirement with full benefits.

Yay!

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/...ith_killing_tee.html

The mother herself used to work as an adoption supervisor, but in a different county. She was fired in 2010, about the same time the husband was being investigated for child abuse. But it looks like she took in this girl back around 2005 as a foster kid.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

At no stage did vitus use the term "real". You introduced it then seemed to keep using it in your debate.

If the above (vitus) statement had been made in isolation then I could see how it could be interpreted as insulting, more so if it were followed up by saying something like "adoptive parents doing it to the kid"; almost implying greater attachment in biological relationships. But the statement wasn't made in isolation it was in response to you saying the repetitive use of the word adopted was irrelevant to the story (which I don't believe it is). The word own is (from the perspective of someone with no skin in the game) interchangeable with biological. It seems like you are more sensitive to it because you've no doubt read comments where the word has been used in an insensitive manner. Probably also explains why you introduced the word 'real'.

I believe ádopted' is relevant and being used not to imply differing levels of care or love but rather to harp on the point that people like this were given care of the child. That the system has failed this child in the ultimate way.

True, but...


Implying that adopted kids aren't really "their own" kids.

And the idea that biological parents don't abuse, torture, kill, mistreat their children (or that adoptive parents do so more than bio parents do) is absolutely fucking ludicrous.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

 

And the idea that biological parents don't abuse, torture, kill, mistreat their children (or that adoptive parents do so more than bio parents do) is absolutely fucking ludicrous.

They do, but at a very significantly lower rate, and to significantly lower extremes, then do non-biological parents. The dread Cinderella effect.

It's highly unlikely that you'd find a couple engaging in and acting out a rape-murder fantasy with their biological child.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I wasn't mad at vitus before but im getting mad now...


https://www.psychologytoday.com/...en-over-adopted-ones

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Read post above.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

The Cinderella effect is addressing step kids. Sometimes, as in your case, a step parent will formalize their parentage by adopting the step child.

I'm talking about children adopted into a two parent home while an infant or toddler. The rates of abuse in these situations is lower than in a biologically parented household.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

I read it. I stand by my statement.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Again, in isolation I think "their own" comes across much worse than here where it was in response to one of your statements about the relevance of the word adopted and the point (right or wrong) he was trying to make.

Do you still not believe the word is relevant to the story - not because of any perceptions on care levels but rather the vetting process?

I'm somewhat surprised by your links perhaps because the media jump on the horror stories. I guess so much effort generally goes into the process that the parents really want that child, often more than biological parents who accidentally conceived them see them as s long term burden. I do wonder though if there are just as many conflicting studies.

I'm talking about children adopted into a two parent home while an infant or toddler.

How about kids who are taken in as foster kids while a toddler then adopted?

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I don't know how much is resourcing vs competence but those in charge of the welfare of children (all children, not just adopted) have time and time again been seen to be dropping the ball with kids paying for it with their lives. How many times do you read about a horrific case then learn authorities had only recently been called out to investigate? Those poor kids they were let down so badly, it makes me very angry. Yet otherwise good parents will get taken to court for smacking their child on a one off citing.

I saw this photo and thought of this thread.

First study I pulled up claimed that most child deaths are committed by a biological parent.