To do this right, you would need a forest service map that shows all the logging roads and other motor vehicle trails that are not on your public provide map of the area.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

This is funny, so the thread starts off saying the very unclear statement is flat out false. Then people read a bit more clarity into it and go searching, and using poor maps decide wow, there are not many places that are more than 10 miles (shh the article could be close to true) Change direction...

Lets attack remoteness yeah, 10miles from a road does not make remote lets make up our definition then say the article is full of shit cause their semiclear definition of remote does not meet ours.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

F'n Immigrants send ehm home and give us our land back.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Sometimes maybe, but it is only 400 km up and passes over populated areas all the time. Other times I would guess a lone boat in the Pacific or one of the Antarctic bases.

BOOOM OH NO YOU DID NOT BRING FACTS TO A SLOWTWITCH DEBATE> 1 week suspension and $10 fine paid to Dan. now be gone.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I thought the exact same thing until I looked at the area, just HOPING I could prove Duffy wrong. Yet, there just aren't any roads there based on google maps and earth imagery and digitized roads (they do have a LOT of really tiny roads in their database), bing maps, ArcGIS data downloaded from the county website, openstreetmap, census.gov data, and the basic ArcGIS streets map. No roads dude.

The problem is the person who wrote the article didn't explicitly state they were looking at officially designated "roadless" areas. I downloaded this data http://www.fs.usda.gov/...?cid=stelprdb5382437 and this data does support the claim that the furthest you can get is 15 miles (but this is ONLY if you are only looking in officially designated roadless areas). What they didn't consider is that there are roadless areas that didn't make the cut to be included in the Forest Service roadless area maps.

Yes it is, lines on a map have to be a minimum thickness and depending on the scale the line is not to scale therefore the exact location is not correct. 2nd there is the question of printing accuracy and method used to print. With a computer you can change the visual scale without changing the data scale. So if the data is accurate to within a few feet that's the accuracy.

A simpler example do you think you can draw a more accurate map with crayons or fine tipped markers???

Also map makers choose what data to put on their map, the computer database would include all the data.

It really surprises me your even debating if a computer map is more accurate than one made and printed.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

None of which matters when we're talking about determining a distance of 10 miles.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Well it appears to not be perfectly accurate it also does not appear to be as far off as you think given this data.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

But in this case the computer database people did not include all the data. If they did they would find several areas (some of them i listed here previously) that would be more than 10 miles form the nearest road.

Nobody here has yet to prove that Benson Lake is within 10 miles of a road.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

I read one of your posts and it made sense

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My job regularly requires me to convince idiots. Glad to see my years of hard work are not in vain.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

None of any of this really matters.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

lol. Touche!

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Hahahah ... hard work. You are a lawyer. How hard is it to cheat people out of money?

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Proud member of the MSF (Maple Syrup Mafia)

Alrighty then...

Don't confuse how well a sat radio works with isolation

The 2 are mutually exclusive.

Not very hard, when they are as "smart" as you ...

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Your response is flaccid. Looks like you lose on rigidity, too.

Seriously - if you want to discuss sat phone issues I'm game, but posting random links that you don't understand isn't getting us anywhere.

At one time, there were groups of people about 238,000 miles from any other people. Last time anyone was that far away was 1972.

It's from an article I read, it's hardly my premise. Just like the LR to turn some interesting information into a pissing match.


Just more proof that people only believe what they believe.


I'm not surprised at all to be honest. I biked a lot in the U.S and did a fair amount of hiking in "remote" areas but was never really remote. I also biked up on the farthest road north in Canada (Inuvik) and when I was on that road, there wasn't any other road for 750 km. You might fight that in Alaska but no chance anywhere below the Canadian border.