klehner wrote:
ACE wrote:
Can someone point to me a paper where they have analysed the carbon output as it correlates the rise in temperature over the last 100 years? Is there a direct correlation where we can show a certain number of tons of CO2 has a certain effect on the temperature? Scientifically proven. Not just that Carbon causes the temperature to go up, ice to melt etc. Historical evidence that x carbon caused y warming.
How did the warming proponents choose 2 degrees as the magic tipping point and how do we know that if we limit carbon it won't still rise by those 2 degrees? How much can we still be allowed to emit in terms of tons of carbon globally and not go over that 2 degrees and how do we arrive at that number?
Do you think that scientists just made up these ideas?
You could go to the IPCC reports, or realclimate.org, or probably some NASA sites, and look things up. If you are looking for a formula increase_in_temperature = some_number * tons_of_carbon, it doesn't exist in any form that a layman would understand, because there are many other factors involved. All the research is out there, and has been reviewed and re-reviewed (by scientists of differing beliefs), and has stood up to scrutiny.
Didn't exactly point me to the direct paper. Just saying, its out there is not what I was looking for as I am lazy. I don't dispute or argue if someone wants to say MAN is the cause of temperature change, for the sake of argument. As I have said in the past, if that is what the big brains at Nasa say ( not trying to be condescending) then OK. I am more concerned about the US and international communities response to it. So far, I think our response should be (Great, that's nice).
We will look for ways to make the air cleaner, the planet better and get off fossil fuels, but we are not taking drastic steps unless you can show me what the drastic steps will get us.
Show me how much carbon we can emit and it won't cause the temperature to increase and why you know that. ( insert your article here).
Show me the historical correlation over the last 100 years of carbon output to temperature. ( insert article here).