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Bike-Swim workout one after the other?
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Twice a week, my training schedule has a morning bike and an evening swim (one hour each). The last couple of weeks, however, I have not been able to make it to the 6:30am bike session (indoors, with my triathlon club). So I have done the bike workout in the evening, on my own, and then I've immediately headed to the pool (in the same building) for the evening swim with my triathlon club.

I know the cons of doing this (too tired to have a quality swim and recovery issues). But are there any good reasons to make this a habit? I am a better swimmer than I am a cyclist, so I tell myself that it's good that at least I'm starting the session with the weaker discipline. And I find that it is a lot more time efficient to get myself to the gym (more of an athletic facility) only once a day (and the extra hour of sleep in the mornings is lovely).

Is anyone else here including unorthodox brick sessions in their training?
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [carlosru83] [ In reply to ]
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I run then get right into the pool almost every morning, usually totaling lets say an average of 8 mi and 1500 yds, respectively. My swim rarely suffers for it. The trick is having gels on hand in case I get hungry or my blood sugar drops (which tends to happen after running intervals).

Do whatever lets you get the workouts in.

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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [carlosru83] [ In reply to ]
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I think triathlon is run kinda backwards anyway. I like to waterski/strength, then run or bike ending up with the swimming (or surfing :) last. Makes more sense to me, the body is primed up and I don't need get through that warm-up zone, so get right to it.

I wasn't really a big user of gels until I raced with them and I think they are damn good. So I kept a small stock in the car. Keeps me feeling game when I haven't eaten much beforehand.

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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [SharkFM] [ In reply to ]
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most mornings I:
I swim 3000-3500 yards followed by 1 hour bike or
1.5 hour bike followed by 45 minute run

2 hours of training in the morning is a great way to start the day!
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [carlosru83] [ In reply to ]
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Granted he's a weaker swimmer but Sanders addressed this on his blog recently.

http://lsanderstri.com
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [wcb] [ In reply to ]
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Yes that is true you have to rehearse or train in the order of the events for optimal result.

But training opposite has told me for optimal swimming, I need to run before I swim (not bike for cramping reasons) and that is what I did - at least for the sprint, OLY and Ocean mile races I did this year.

Have you seen Lionel's swim on video? I'd be interested to see some updated clips to see how is stroke is progressing. Our swim club kids have pretty good but not lights-out world class strokes. They can 5:xx 400M and 20-21min 1500's.

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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [wcb] [ In reply to ]
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wcb wrote:
Granted he's a weaker swimmer but Sanders addressed this on his blog recently.

http://lsanderstri.com

Ah! Thanks for pointing this out.
Sanders's "weak swim" pace during an Ironman still beats my sprint distance PR pace.
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [carlosru83] [ In reply to ]
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carlosru83 wrote:
wcb wrote:
Granted he's a weaker swimmer but Sanders addressed this on his blog recently.

http://lsanderstri.com


Ah! Thanks for pointing this out.
Sanders's "weak swim" pace during an Ironman still beats my sprint distance PR pace.

+1

Should have pointed out "weaker" is a relative term. As in relative to the best in the sport. ;-)
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [SharkFM] [ In reply to ]
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SharkFM wrote:
Makes more sense to me, the body is primed up and I don't need get through that warm-up zone, so get right to it. .

Yeah, this is what I enjoy the most, feeling pre-warmed up (I still do 200 or 300m of warm up regardless) when I hit the water. Also, it feels glorious to stretch my body in the water as long as possible. I think my back and arms appreciate it.
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [carlosru83] [ In reply to ]
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Let's go back to Lionel for a moment. https://lsanderstri.com/


I think there are few important things he's talking about for swimmers and triathletes. Particularly if you are learning or improving your swim.


1. Hit the water early and often. First thing early am with a clear mind is the best time for adaptation. And since I live on a lake I could do an afternoon or evening swim to further imprint "feel for the water". So my workouts are done 6:30 to say 8:30am.


2. IMO triathlon simulates the cave dweller hunting process. So you have to swim the damn river, ride a horse bare-back then run for your lives, that sort of thing. So you gotta start early 6-7am.




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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [SharkFM] [ In reply to ]
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SharkFM wrote:

you gotta start early 6-7am.


But... sleep.

Yeah, the arguments are convincing enough. I will just have to suck it up and adjust my sleeping patterns to make it possible.

I will keep the combo workout as a last resort only (I will assume that swimming after bike is better than not swim at all).
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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Funny I do the exact same thing most days, mostly treadmill intervals and tempo (totaling 1hr). Strangely it's quite easy to do (it sounds like "wow run and then swim? Omg", but it really gets my body going before getting into the pool, not to mention an efficient use of time). I definitely need the gels or else I could get calf cramps late into a swim set (it's happened before lol).
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [MikenUltra] [ In reply to ]
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Strangely it's quite easy to do (it sounds like "wow run and then swim? Omg", but it really gets my body going before getting into the pool, not to mention an efficient use of time).

Yup. Makes it easier to get into cold water.

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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [carlosru83] [ In reply to ]
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carlosru83 wrote:
Twice a week, my training schedule has a morning bike and an evening swim (one hour each). The last couple of weeks, however, I have not been able to make it to the 6:30am bike session (indoors, with my triathlon club). So I have done the bike workout in the evening, on my own, and then I've immediately headed to the pool (in the same building) for the evening swim with my triathlon club.

I know the cons of doing this (too tired to have a quality swim and recovery issues). But are there any good reasons to make this a habit? I am a better swimmer than I am a cyclist, so I tell myself that it's good that at least I'm starting the session with the weaker discipline. And I find that it is a lot more time efficient to get myself to the gym (more of an athletic facility) only once a day (and the extra hour of sleep in the mornings is lovely).

Is anyone else here including unorthodox brick sessions in their training?

Forget about the bike workout with you club....sleep in and do the trainer+swim combo in the evening. Way more efficient use of time and the swim will not suffer much at all. Just fuel a bit in between. I do that combo all the time. Just stretch out your core and shoulders a bit before getting in the pool as I find the first 500m sucks after being in the aerobars or in the road position vs proper swim posture.
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the feedback. I think I will make sure I have two swims per week where the swim goes first, and for the other two I will relax and continue to enjoy my bike-swim combo :)
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Re: Bike-Swim workout one after the other? [carlosru83] [ In reply to ]
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Do what fits best with your daily schedule and causes the least amount of undo stress. If doing a bike to swim combined session is what allows you to get the training in (and get more sleep!) then do that. One thought would be to prioritize one of the two each day, i.e.: hard bike/easier technique swim or aerobic bike/hard swim).

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jpryder wrote:
Do what fits best with your daily schedule and causes the least amount of undo stress.

I can report I had my first guilt-free bike-swim combo this evening :)
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