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Re: most pretentious rock song [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy
Sep 20, 16 6:15
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Depends on how you define rock, I guess, but plenty of pretentious stuff from U2, the 90s alternative band Live was pure musical pretension, and the 80s group Midnight Oil was right there as well.
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Brian in MA
Sep 20, 16 6:18
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U2 lost me when they became too pretentious, I still love the early stuff though. Same with REM.


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j p o
Sep 20, 16 7:22
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sphere wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F3gOoaeD4k

Is that pretentious or delusional?

It isn't really rock, but Carly SImon's "You're So Vain" annoys the piss out of me. And the fact that she still thinks people care who the song was about is stupid. No one cared when it came out, 45 years later everyone who didn't care then is dead.
I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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H-
Sep 21, 16 19:33
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last tri in 83 wrote:
Pink Floyd (oops did I say that out loud)

Ok. This has bothered me and also the 2112 reference bothered me.

Here from Webster's is the definition of pretentious:

[quotehaving or showing the unpleasant quality of people who want to be regarded as more impressive, successful, or important than they really are][/quote]
So, in a sense I can see someone listening today to Pink Floyd or Rush 2112 and seeing it as pretentious. However, by definition, pretension must be viewed in term of the intention of the performer at the time. As I'm familiar with the Rush and Pink Floyd library, the history, and the personalities, I can't conclude that they were pretentious. I see them both as artisans pushing music into new frontiers, inspired not by personal pride, but by artistic impulse.

But I'll concede, that in the case of the Wall (Pink Floyd, especially Roger Waters) and Rush 2112, those two bands were veering close to the borders of pretension. However, with regard to the rest, pure artistry.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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satanellus
Sep 23, 16 1:52
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Surprised no one has mentioned Rick Wakeman with The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Great album with fine music and orchestration but......when time to get out the flowing robes and the band and perform it live.....with orchestra....and choir.....and choreograph it....and stage it on ice (no, not the drug but that would have explained a lot)....WTF????

Bonus points for Jethro Tull too with Passion Play, the follow up album to Thick as a Brick. Again, one 45 minute song, but The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles interlude midway through? How did Ian Anderson ever think he could get away with that?

Anything with Emerson Lake and Palmer terrorising Mussorgsky, Janacek, Prokofiev, etc, etc......with kudos for Emerson playing a rotating piano suspended in the air.....or sticking knives in keyboard and burning the Stars and Stripes while playing Bernstein's America with The Nice.

Deep Purple: Concerto for Group and Orchestra. Not sure what to say about that one.

Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans. Double album, four 20 minute songs based on Buddhist yogi's shastrik scriptures.

King Crimson......choose something from any album from the '70s. Go on, take your pick.

Pink Floyd: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict. If only for the title.....actually the song is pretty out there too.

The golden days of prog. When it comes to pretension, Rush was late to the party.

Disclaimer: No guilty pleasures have been listed. On the contrary, I quite enjoy my CD collection without the slightest hint of remorse. ;-)
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Re: most pretentious rock song [satanellus] [ In reply to ]
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kiki
Sep 23, 16 3:48
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:> definitive.

I forgot about Rick Wakeman in the robes and the hair. Jethro Tull was in the back of my mind when I posted. Both spectacularly pretentious.

Cat Stephens needs a nod for folky pretensions.

If there is a rap category, there is only one true King.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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chriskal
Sep 23, 16 6:48
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Anything from Meatloaf. Paradise by the Dashboard Lights in particular is ridiculous.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [chriskal] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart
Sep 23, 16 6:54
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chriskal wrote:
Anything from Meatloaf. "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" in particular is ridiculous.

a) The female vocals were provided by Ellen Foley who was dating Mick Jones of The Clash; "Train in Vain" and "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" were written about her

b) Phil Rizzuto publicly maintained he was unaware that his contribution would be equated with sex in the finished song, but Meat Loaf asserts that Rizzuto only feigned ignorance to stifle some criticism from a priest and was fully aware of the context of what he was recording
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Re: most pretentious rock song [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt
Sep 23, 16 7:03
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kiki wrote:
:> definitive.

I forgot about Rick Wakeman in the robes and the hair. Jethro Tull was in the back of my mind when I posted. Both spectacularly pretentious.

I always thought Jethro Tull was an act in the same vain as Queen? It was over the top pretentious on purpose.

I find Rage Against the Machine to be pretentious in a different sort of way.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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kiki
Sep 23, 16 7:11
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ThisIsIt wrote:
I always thought Jethro Tull was an act in the same vain as Queen? It was over the top pretentious on purpose.

trigger warning: codpiece
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Re: most pretentious rock song [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart
Sep 23, 16 8:16
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slowguy wrote:
Depends on how you define rock, I guess, but plenty of pretentious stuff from U2,

In this sense, I define pretentious as meaning "if you don't like it, that's because I'm smarter and more worldly than you ... and you are an awful person who doesn't care about human rights"

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Bono Cannot Stop Writing About Himself

Bono. This guy. The guy from U2. But you probably know him for being the world's all-around best human. He's not just some rock star that groupies want to bang; he's some rock star who's always writing op-eds about Serious World Issues, which makes an entirely new set of groupies want to bang him.

While we agree with Bono's political views in the abstract sense, in the concrete sense, we would rather not read writing by Bono on any topic. Particularly because�no matter how weighty the topic�Bono's topic is always, fundamentally, Bono. Here's the very first sentence from his NYT op-ed today about World AIDS Day:

I'LL tell you the worst part about it, for me.

and so on
"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin
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Re: most pretentious rock song [satanellus] [ In reply to ]
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last tri in 83
Sep 23, 16 8:23
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You forgot early Genesis
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Re: most pretentious rock song [satanellus] [ In reply to ]
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RogerC39
Sep 23, 16 9:05
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satanellus wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned Rick Wakeman with The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Great album with fine music and orchestration but......when time to get out the flowing robes and the band and perform it live.....with orchestra....and choir.....and choreograph it....and stage it on ice (no, not the drug but that would have explained a lot)....WTF????

Bonus points for Jethro Tull too with Passion Play, the follow up album to Thick as a Brick. Again, one 45 minute song, but The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles interlude midway through? How did Ian Anderson ever think he could get away with that?

Anything with Emerson Lake and Palmer terrorising Mussorgsky, Janacek, Prokofiev, etc, etc......with kudos for Emerson playing a rotating piano suspended in the air.....or sticking knives in keyboard and burning the Stars and Stripes while playing Bernstein's America with The Nice.

Deep Purple: Concerto for Group and Orchestra. Not sure what to say about that one.

Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans. Double album, four 20 minute songs based on Buddhist yogi's shastrik scriptures.

King Crimson......choose something from any album from the '70s. Go on, take your pick.

Pink Floyd: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict. If only for the title.....actually the song is pretty out there too.

The golden days of prog. When it comes to pretension, Rush was late to the party.

Disclaimer: No guilty pleasures have been listed. On the contrary, I quite enjoy my CD collection without the slightest hint of remorse. ;-)

+1 for the most pretentious post on the most pretentious rock song. Well played.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [AlanShearer] [ In reply to ]
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satanellus
Sep 23, 16 19:17
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AlanShearer wrote:
satanellus wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned Rick Wakeman with The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Great album with fine music and orchestration but......when time to get out the flowing robes and the band and perform it live.....with orchestra....and choir.....and choreograph it....and stage it on ice (no, not the drug but that would have explained a lot)....WTF????

Bonus points for Jethro Tull too with Passion Play, the follow up album to Thick as a Brick. Again, one 45 minute song, but The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles interlude midway through? How did Ian Anderson ever think he could get away with that?

Anything with Emerson Lake and Palmer terrorising Mussorgsky, Janacek, Prokofiev, etc, etc......with kudos for Emerson playing a rotating piano suspended in the air.....or sticking knives in keyboard and burning the Stars and Stripes while playing Bernstein's America with The Nice.

Deep Purple: Concerto for Group and Orchestra. Not sure what to say about that one.

Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans. Double album, four 20 minute songs based on Buddhist yogi's shastrik scriptures.

King Crimson......choose something from any album from the '70s. Go on, take your pick.

Pink Floyd: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict. If only for the title.....actually the song is pretty out there too.

The golden days of prog. When it comes to pretension, Rush was late to the party.

Disclaimer: No guilty pleasures have been listed. On the contrary, I quite enjoy my CD collection without the slightest hint of remorse. ;-)


+1 for the most pretentious post on the most pretentious rock song. Well played.

Thank you.

Still chuckling at your comment. :-)
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Re: most pretentious rock song [satanellus] [ In reply to ]
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H-
Sep 23, 16 20:00
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I liked your post. I just assumed you wrote for Rolling Stone.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Alvin Tostig
Sep 23, 16 22:31
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Maybe not "rock", but in the adult contemporary category.

Barry Manilow's "Could It Be Magic" via Chopin's Prelude in C Minor.

Eric Carmen's "All By Myself" via Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto Number 2 along with his "Never Gonna Fall in Love Again" via Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony.

All songs that I like, but they can all be called pretentious.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [satanellus] [ In reply to ]
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alltom1
Sep 24, 16 17:21
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satanellus wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned Rick Wakeman with The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Great album with fine music and orchestration but......when time to get out the flowing robes and the band and perform it live.....with orchestra....and choir.....and choreograph it....and stage it on ice (no, not the drug but that would have explained a lot)....WTF????

Bonus points for Jethro Tull too with Passion Play, the follow up album to Thick as a Brick. Again, one 45 minute song, but The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles interlude midway through? How did Ian Anderson ever think he could get away with that?

Anything with Emerson Lake and Palmer terrorising Mussorgsky, Janacek, Prokofiev, etc, etc......with kudos for Emerson playing a rotating piano suspended in the air.....or sticking knives in keyboard and burning the Stars and Stripes while playing Bernstein's America with The Nice.

Deep Purple: Concerto for Group and Orchestra. Not sure what to say about that one.

Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans. Double album, four 20 minute songs based on Buddhist yogi's shastrik scriptures.

King Crimson......choose something from any album from the '70s. Go on, take your pick.

Pink Floyd: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict. If only for the title.....actually the song is pretty out there too.

The golden days of prog. When it comes to pretension, Rush was late to the party.

Disclaimer: No guilty pleasures have been listed. On the contrary, I quite enjoy my CD collection without the slightest hint of remorse. ;-)

Yep, you pretty much nailed it with the above...The only one I actually own is Thick as a Brick but I'm perfectly familiar with several of the others. In the days post-Sgt. Pepper, too many musicians thought they could do it, too...Witness the birth of prog. Nothing recorded since whatever the last album from ELP before the '70's ran out comes nearly close. But dang, at the time, this stuff sold like hotcakes for a while..

Thank you Ramones, SLF, Damned, etc. for saving rock...
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iron_mike
Sep 24, 16 23:30
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i guess there's a debate to be had about the difference between 'pretentious' and 'indulgent.' though they're often synonymous in rock.

anyway, as far as indulgence goes, it's tough to beat the edgar winter group's live version of 'frankenstein':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pnSSHwmu8I


it would've been more subtle (and probably quicker) if he'd just stood on stage and masturbated.


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Re: most pretentious rock song [alltom1] [ In reply to ]
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satanellus
Sep 27, 16 0:48
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alltom1 wrote:
Yep, you pretty much nailed it with the above...The only one I actually own is Thick as a Brick but I'm perfectly familiar with several of the others. In the days post-Sgt. Pepper, too many musicians thought they could do it, too...Witness the birth of prog. Nothing recorded since whatever the last album from ELP before the '70's ran out comes nearly close. But dang, at the time, this stuff sold like hotcakes for a while..

Thank you Ramones, SLF, Damned, etc. for saving rock...

Even the most hardcore of ELP fans doesn't mention their final album of the '70s.....it's widely considered the Voldemort of prog.

Ironically, Nick Mason (Pink Floyd's drummer) produced a few of The Damned's albums.
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RandMart
Sep 27, 16 6:56
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
Maybe not "rock", but in the adult contemporary category.

Barry Manilow's "Could It Be Magic" via Chopin's Prelude in C Minor.

Eric Carmen's "All By Myself" via Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto Number 2 along with his "Never Gonna Fall in Love Again" via Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony.

Pachelbel's Canon in D ,,,, it's everywhere!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin
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Re: most pretentious rock song [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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jeffa
Sep 28, 16 7:01
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Anything by Styx.
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kiki
Sep 28, 16 7:23
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love Styx!

as for the Germans, Rammstein is flying the flag; there are probably plenty more I've never heard of
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H-
Sep 28, 16 7:52
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jeffa wrote:

Anything by Styx.

And it starts with the name.
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Re: most pretentious rock song [H-] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart
Sep 28, 16 10:05
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H- wrote:
A Steve Vai song/video would be near the top of my list.

Well, he did study at the elbow of Frank Zappa who was know to have moments of pretension himself [all his "homage to Varese"-type shit]
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