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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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It is possibly more Aero - bringing the rear inwards.

Prefer the wireless idea as I have a plasma 3 with mechanical routing which rules out di2. However I do worry the size of the mechs with the batteries and the blip box will make the etape less Aero.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:


Shame on Shimano for not respecting TrainingPeaks' trademarks.

They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.


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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:

They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.

It'd be much better free PR/promotion if they put the little "R" symbol and made the terms hyperlinks to TrainingPeaks. That would have been a nice courtesy.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
dcrainmaker wrote:


They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.


It'd be much better free PR/promotion if they put the little "R" symbol and made the terms hyperlinks to TrainingPeaks. That would have been a nice courtesy.

That's why it's called "free PR"...they didn't get the links. ;)


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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:


Shame on Shimano for not respecting TrainingPeaks' trademarks.

They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.

Except that you have to not only already be aware that those terms are trademarked, you would have to know to whom the trademarks belong. Sans the legally-required acknowledgement, the webpage makes it appear that Shimano deserves credit for the terms .

Of course, Shimano isn't the only one to plays such games. For example, look at how Strava skirts the issue by just inventing new terms for things to avoid acknowledging TP's trademarks, thus falsely claiming credit for certain ideas and adding to the confusion.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
dcrainmaker wrote:

They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.

It'd be much better free PR/promotion if they put the little "R" symbol and made the terms hyperlinks to TrainingPeaks. That would have been a nice courtesy.

More than a courtesy: a legal requirement.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:

More than a courtesy: a legal requirement.

If everyone had courtesy we wouldn't need legal requirements. :)
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Merely mentioning a term doesn't mean you have to put the trademark symbol on it, you know that. There's zero legal requirement for any company (even the holder) to display the symbol. It is considered good legal practice for a holder to display it at least once per document/page, but legally not actually required to display it in every instance.

But you're confusing what Strava does with what Shimano is doing. Strava is displaying a metric and calling it X (as opposed to a TrainingPeaks branded metric). I agree that if those metrics exactly match, then that's shades of grey.

But Shimano isn't displaying anything. They don't have any software that displays anything, nor even any hardware that displays anything. They're merely mentioning that you could use such metrics, but you'd still need to go out and buy some device/platform/whatever that displays those. Of which they make none (you do however).


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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:
trail wrote:
dcrainmaker wrote:


They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.


It'd be much better free PR/promotion if they put the little "R" symbol and made the terms hyperlinks to TrainingPeaks. That would have been a nice courtesy.


More than a courtesy: a legal requirement.

That's factually incorrect. It's not a legal requirement for any 3rd party to display any variant of the symbol.


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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
trail wrote:
dcrainmaker wrote:


They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.


It'd be much better free PR/promotion if they put the little "R" symbol and made the terms hyperlinks to TrainingPeaks. That would have been a nice courtesy.


More than a courtesy: a legal requirement.

That's factually incorrect. It's not a legal requirement for any 3rd party to display any variant of the symbol.

That depends on whether or not you want to be sued for trademark infringement or dilution.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:
dcrainmaker wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
trail wrote:
dcrainmaker wrote:


They don't make a head unit or training software - it just broadcasts power like any other power meter. So basically, they just gave TrainingPeaks free PR/promotion.


It'd be much better free PR/promotion if they put the little "R" symbol and made the terms hyperlinks to TrainingPeaks. That would have been a nice courtesy.


More than a courtesy: a legal requirement.


That's factually incorrect. It's not a legal requirement for any 3rd party to display any variant of the symbol.


That depends on whether or not you want to be sued for trademark infringement or dilution.

You forgot to mention your legal expertise in your signature.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [heliotropic] [ In reply to ]
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heliotropic wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
That depends on whether or not you want to be sued for trademark infringement or dilution.


You forgot to mention your legal expertise in your signature.

They are his (trainingpeaks?) terms, he can sue if he wants.

Things I did not expect to see today: Ray and Dr. Coggan duking it out over the (R) symbol...

2014 P3 DI2 - RT6, CXR80, Power2Max S, 820, Fenix 3 HR. (gone)
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Have been contemplating buying WKO for awhile, now not so much.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [P90Puma] [ In reply to ]
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P90Puma wrote:
heliotropic wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:

That depends on whether or not you want to be sued for trademark infringement or dilution.


You forgot to mention your legal expertise in your signature.


They are his (trainingpeaks?) terms, he can sue if he wants.

Things I did not expect to see today: Ray and Dr. Coggan duking it out over the (R) symbol...

In practical terms, surely it depends if he can find a lawyer who'd take that case...

IDK, it just seems weird to make vague legal threats on the internet.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [P90Puma] [ In reply to ]
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P90Puma wrote:
heliotropic wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
That depends on whether or not you want to be sued for trademark infringement or dilution.


You forgot to mention your legal expertise in your signature.

They are his (trainingpeaks?) terms, he can sue if he wants.

TrainingPeaks - of which I am not, and never have been, a part - owns the trademarks. It would therefore be up to them to defend them (I know that they have done so in the past).
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [heliotropic] [ In reply to ]
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heliotropic wrote:
P90Puma wrote:
heliotropic wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:

That depends on whether or not you want to be sued for trademark infringement or dilution.


You forgot to mention your legal expertise in your signature.


They are his (trainingpeaks?) terms, he can sue if he wants.

Things I did not expect to see today: Ray and Dr. Coggan duking it out over the (R) symbol...

In practical terms, surely it depends if he can find a lawyer who'd take that case...

IDK, it just seems weird to make vague legal threats on the internet.

You are misinterpreting my comments. I don't own the trademarks, and therefore have no standing to sue. My point to Ray was simply that properly acknowledging someone else's trademark reduces the chances that you will be sued.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [heliotropic] [ In reply to ]
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Odd to see someone so accomplished so thin-skinned.

Love seeing the rare, but delicious DCrainmaker smackdown.

Extra special seeing it served to someone so obnoxiously self-obsessed.

Unrelated: I invited the question mark.

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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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kjmcawesome wrote:
Odd to see someone so accomplished so thin-skinned.

As a scientist, my stock-in-trade is ideas. Misattribution and/or misappropriation of intellectual property rights therefore bugs me just as much as miscitation of the literature. Call it my pet peeve if you like.
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:
kjmcawesome wrote:
Odd to see someone so accomplished so thin-skinned.


As a scientist, my stock-in-trade is ideas. Misattribution and/or misappropriation of intellectual property rights therefore bugs me just as much as miscitation of the literature. Call it my pet peeve if you like.


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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [The Sloth] [ In reply to ]
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The Sloth wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
kjmcawesome wrote:
Odd to see someone so accomplished so thin-skinned.


As a scientist, my stock-in-trade is ideas. Misattribution and/or misappropriation of intellectual property rights therefore bugs me just as much as miscitation of the literature. Call it my pet peeve if you like.


LOL!
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Re: Shimano R9100 Dura Ace release day is today! [The Sloth] [ In reply to ]
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You did not properly site Cyanide and Happiness for this...

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