Im saying the evidence shows that few do.

Yeah, well, the evidence is more than questionable. Some of the states found a drug use of virtually zero among welfare recipients, and if you believe that "evidence," I have a lovely study that shows how much the Brooklyn bridge is going to appreciate in value that I'd love to show you.

They likely have kids. So youre taking food out of a poor childs mouth because their parents got high. Thats not helping anything and its quite vindictive.

I think the whole welfare drug testing movement smacks of vindictiveness, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for the "but the children!" argument. Yeah, you say that it's taking food out of a poor child's mouth because the parents got high. I say the parents took food out of their own kids mouth by getting high, and I'm more right than you are about that when it comes to drug abusing parents. Giving welfare to drug users because they have kids doesn't help the kids much, it just enables their parents.

That's one of the problems that would arise if you had reliable drug testing of welfare recipients, though. Let's say they have kids and they test positive. Do you leave the kids with them? Etc etc.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

How is getting high taking food out of a kids mouth? Are you assuming that everyone uses money to procure drugs or that its their fault for using drugs resulting in getting their benefits taken away?

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

How is getting high taking food out of a kids mouth? Are you assuming that everyone uses money to procure drugs or that its their fault for using drugs resulting in getting their benefits taken away?

The former.

Again, I'm not saying most or even many welfare recipients are drug users. But I would be highly surprised if there aren't at least as many drug users in the pool of welfare recipients as among the general population, percentage wise.

And yes, many of those drug users do use welfare benefits to procure drugs by one means or another. And many of them can't get a job because they abuse drugs.

Like I said, I think drug users/abusers are a minority among welfare recipients. But it's ludicrous to believe that they don't exist, or are highly rare. And some of them have children, and those that do are responsible for the situation their children are in. And in those cases, yeah, welfare does enable them to one degree or another.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

when you remove my SocSec and Medicare costs, this chart looks different.

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RayGovett
Hughson CA
Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

They should work with a private software company to figure out how to detect fraud, and give the private company a percentage of the public savings associated with stamping out that fraud. That would be win/win. There's too much politics involved to trust fraud detection to the FEDs. And a private company can't make money on detecting fraud if it isn't there.

I'm not a big fan of drug testing for food stamps. Maybe if we exclude tobacco, pot, and alcohol -- the drugs that are legal or are in state-level experimentation. Even then, maybe usage just gets you a lower monthly food subsidy.

I used to have an employee who would hit me up every single Sunday for an advance on his next weeks paycheck. When I would refuse, he would say "I need it to buy formula for my baby". Of course, he managed to buy cigarettes all week long. So was that me taking food from his baby's mouth or him?

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I miss YaHey

There isnt enough information to make an informed opinion. Also, addiction is an incredibly powerful thing. It comes before all other needs.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

Yes, when you ignore half of all government spending it does look different.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

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"Social Security - Welfare
Income security - Welfare
Health - Welfare
Veteran benefits - Welfare

69% is not "a very small" percentage.
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Sir,

I beg to differ with your contention that MY paid-for SocSec and MY paid-for Medicare are Welfare.

Again--

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RayGovett
Hughson CA
Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

Not to mention veteran's benefits. Sheesh.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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RayGovett
Hughson CA
Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

That's not a bad idea, but there'd have to be strong protection against the inherent conflict-of-interest there, e.g. the incentive of a company to move beyond finding fraud and onto finding "fraud."