Not really sure how one could be "nice" to women while simultaneously thinking they should submit to their authority because they are deemed irrational. Maybe he is polite in their presence, I don't know. I just don't think this mindset is compatible with being a "nice person" especially in this day in age.

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Can't argue with that!

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Punching another man in the ball sack could be construed as a homosexual act. Unless it's the straw man's ball sack?

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I look at people who do that differently. That tactic has been used a lot, talk about homosexuality, pedophilia or bestiality all together. "If we allow gay marriage and sex then what keeps people from having sex with their dog?"

Then you call it out and they bitch and moan that you are using a straw man because they never equated the two. Well, maybe they didn't do so explicitly, but they certainly wanted to put that thought in your head so you could do it on your own. Let's call this form of argument Plausible Strawmanability.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

He's about 15 years older than me and revered his father who definitely had this mentality. I find it funny that we're really not that far apart in age but he just seems like a total dinosaur to me.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

That's not a strawman either.

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It would depend entirely on what the intention is and where the argument goes from there. At this point in the discussion you are trying to clarify his position. Its not clear whether or not he is equating the two. It appears, at this point, that he's only equating one aspect of the two, but again, it would depend on what his purpose was for bringing up that point.

When some people argue, they will attempt to take the aspects that are similar, but then use that to compare the whole. "Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an atheist just like Stalin," is not equating the two. Its only comparing their religious beliefs. "Therefore we should be concerned about Tyson being tyranical." Okay, at this point, it looks like he his erroneously equating the two but only because one aspect is the same.

It sounds like the guy is trying to "have his cake and eat it too." He wants to not equate the two so that you can't debunk the argument, but at the same time equate the two so that he can make his point. "Nice straw man......but yes...."

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Basically when he agreed that he did equate the two I don't see how that is in any way a straw man since he FUCKING AGREED WITH WHAT I SAID!!! I wanted to punch him in the ballsack.

For what it's worth Pedophilia, homosexuality, bestiality etc are in fact all the same. They are sexual preferences....but so is heterosexuality. They are indeed "Urges"...driven by genetics in most cases.

~Matt

Duffy pretty much nailed what the guy was trying to say. That they are both urges that you choose to either act on or not. And since he believes that its a sin and that a sin is a sin, it's really no different from pedophilia. The only difference being consent with the other party.

A while back he said that you don't get to pick and choose which Bible verses are literal and which are to be ignored.

I am certain that he believe the following...

“When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. .

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I get that. I also get that there are massive differences between pedophilia and homosexuality.

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No, the straw man claim is what BLep thought this guy was going to do. When you say they equated the two and they say they never did.

The idea is that you are induced into making a straw man argument that people are equating the two when no one ever did that and that equating them is bad when no one is actually equating the two. But they dance right up to the edge so they can claim they didn't equate the two.

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I agree with this rationale as well. I believe you are born with certain sexual attractions. So, the way you two are explaining this, I agree.

BLeP's buddy was not using it the same way. He was saying pedo is a sign of a sexual deviant and then accusing homosexuals of also being sexual deviants. I believe that the vast majority of people who "equate" homosexuality to pedo are doing the same thing.

But, if we really break down what it means, yes, in the sense you explain above, you can "equate" homo, hetero, and pedo.

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I get that. I also get that there are massive differences between pedophilia and homosexuality.

But those same massive difference exist between heterosexuality and pedophilia. From a "Sexual" standpoint there really isn't much if any difference". The difference lies in the fact that pedophilia relies on sex with someone that can't consent. A hetero sexual rapist is closer to a pedophile then a homosexual and homosexuals and heterosexuals are closer to each other then the first two.

I think all too often the largest barrier in these discussions is a seeming inability to understand how subjective, genetically and environmentally speaking, and really quite fragile our sexual preferences are.

~Matt

I had that very argument with a person.

"What next? Marry your dog?"
"So are you suggesting that my brother-in-law's partner is no different than a dog?"
"No. I'm just pointing out that you can't just marry anything you want."
"Yes, but another consenting adult is not merely anything."


Note here where the *actual* straw man is. "Anything you want," is, itself, a straw man argument.

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Some studies have shown that as much as 5% of the general population are pedophiles. Homosexuals make up 1-3%. So in a sense, homosexuality is more deviant than pedophilia.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Are homesexuals really only 1-3%? Wow, with such political support, I would have figured more. It has to be higher. My dad speculated as many as 10-20% are gay or bi (my wording, since he doesn't think Bi-sexuals exist), but then again my dad is a narcissist who thinks his moods and views are overly represented.

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Do you even hear yourself type sometimes?

Some studies have shown that as much as 5% of the general population are pedophiles. Homosexuals make up 1-3%. So in a sense, homosexuality is more deviant than pedophilia.

Which kind of makes sense for two reasons. First we have a rather odd definition of pedophilia. It's based on age rather then whether or not the person the older person is attracted to has actually gone thru puberty or not. So an eighteen year old boy attracted to a post pubescent 12 year old female is actually considered a pedophile by definition. Second, merely guessing here, seems like the genetic switch to push ones age boundaries down would be an easier one to alter then to switch ones gender preferences.

~Matt

Representive.

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It's like that w/ wife's stepdad... Technically, he's only about 10yrs older than my MiL, so roughly a half-generation, yet his worldview seems to come from a point even farther back in time than my grandparents. But then I think geography is also a big part of it; he originally grew up in the more rural South & Midwest, so he's doubly out of touch having moved to a large city on the West Coast.

WHOOOOOSH!!

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I really think Forgie may be missing your point. Too caught up in his Brexalation.

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