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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Yeah, a little bit of a head scratcher. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of it.

really not a head scratcher when you read the selection criteria and then figure who wrote it.

As far as the original post on the thread though I'll just say the following: is seems this didn't have anything to do with the bike fit itself as much as the team's seaming unwillingness to make it work (she seems to have said that herself). I was coaching an athlete who had to ride on that exact bike and it's one of easiest bikes out there on which to set up small woman--the headtube is tiny. You just have to ditch the fork/stem set-up, which is exactly what we did. Problem solved.

The bike itself was actually quite fast when the rear brakes weren't stuck to the wheel.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [roady] [ In reply to ]
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I think it is worth bearing in mind this isn't your typical pro road cyclist, she was deeply into the fanatical UK TT scene before turning pro which makes her a total aero nerd by default..!
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Besides toe overlap, are there any issues with designing a 700c bike with the proper coordinates?

standover height

No coasting in running and no crying in baseball
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [Tri3] [ In reply to ]
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There is no reason why that needs to be the case.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [AndyF] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately there is no happy ending.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/british-cycling-unprofessional-and-disrespectful-says-simmonds-after-olympics-snub/


AndyF wrote:
Here's the epilogue to this story:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/...e-trial-title-234848

Congrats to Hayley for winning the nation al TT title! And good on her for sticking up for herself. Lots of haters got flushed out, but Hayley's headed to Rio now and has a great chance for a medal.




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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Ex-cyclist wrote:
Unfortunately there is no happy ending.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/british-cycling-unprofessional-and-disrespectful-says-simmonds-after-olympics-snub/

Yup, there's always an epi-epilogue. Sad news, indeed.

AndyF
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [AndyF] [ In reply to ]
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AndyF wrote:
Ex-cyclist wrote:
Unfortunately there is no happy ending.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/british-cycling-unprofessional-and-disrespectful-says-simmonds-after-olympics-snub/


Yup, there's always an epi-epilogue. Sad news, indeed.


Jeez. Boy, Armstrong and Pooley better actually throw down in the Olympics to justify this sort of back-room decision-making.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:

Jeez. Boy, Armstrong and Pooley better actually throw down in the Olympics to justify this sort of back-room decision-making.


Don't quote me on this, but I think it's mainly because the TT rider is also supposed to do the road race. But I'm not sure...

AndyF
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Last edited by: AndyF: Jun 26, 16 2:28
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [AndyF] [ In reply to ]
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AndyF wrote:
trail wrote:

Jeez. Boy, Armstrong and Pooley better actually throw down in the Olympics to justify this sort of back-room decision-making.


Don't quite me on this, but I think it's mainly because the TT rider is also supposed to do the road race. But I'm not sure...

Bingo, same thing happened to MTM in Norway.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [AndyF] [ In reply to ]
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AndyF wrote:
trail wrote:

Jeez. Boy, Armstrong and Pooley better actually throw down in the Olympics to justify this sort of back-room decision-making.


Don't quite me on this, but I think it's mainly because the TT rider is also supposed to do the road race. But I'm not sure...


Yeah, understood. But my comment stands. Armstrong and Pooley better sell the farm for Armitstead and Guarnier in the RR, if the rationale is to focus on the road race.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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especially when they can just get a different bike, give it identical team paint and decals and call it a prototype.

sponsor should be concerned about results and name recognition regardless of which bike allows the athletes to perform.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [triordie1994] [ In reply to ]
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triordie1994 wrote:
especially when they can just get a different bike, give it identical team paint and decals and call it a prototype.
sponsor should be concerned about results and name recognition regardless of which bike allows the athletes to perform.

I wish the female pros had that much clout, or that much money that they could "just" paint a different bike. Most of these women are working for room and board, with lots of road miles and lots of travel and not much extra time to organise their lives. They're lucky enough if their bikes get to the national championships in one piece, triordie1994.

Women's pro cycling is far far far from what most people think it is. The athletes themselves are awesome, but the reality of racing pro is still not what it should be.

AndyF
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [AndyF] [ In reply to ]
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AndyF wrote:
triordie1994 wrote:
especially when they can just get a different bike, give it identical team paint and decals and call it a prototype.
sponsor should be concerned about results and name recognition regardless of which bike allows the athletes to perform.


I wish the female pros had that much clout, or that much money that they could "just" paint a different bike. Most of these women are working for room and board, with lots of road miles and lots of travel and not much extra time to organise their lives. They're lucky enough if their bikes get to the national championships in one piece, triordie1994.

Women's pro cycling is far far far from what most people think it is. The athletes themselves are awesome, but the reality of racing pro is still not what it should be.

Some people seem to think shitting on the sponsors will help.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:
Some people seem to think shitting on the sponsors will help.

Here, woman .... you just sit your ass down here on this poorly-fitting bike, shut-up, and pedal.

AndyF
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Is she sure she's going? I only ask because apparently crushing everyone at your National TT Championship and backing it up the next day with a solid performance in the road champs doesn't guarantee you a trip to Rio. ;-)

Here's hoping there's some peace that's made in all this. However, 'tis the season:
http://www.durangoherald.com/...th-Carmen-Small-snub

AndyF
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:

Some people seem to think shitting on the sponsors will help.

The overarching principle in sport should always be winning (fairly). When other things take priority, it's usually bad in the long run.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [AndyF] [ In reply to ]
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AndyF wrote:
Here's the epilogue to this story:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/...e-trial-title-234848

Congrats to Hayley for winning the nation al TT title! And good on her for sticking up for herself. Lots of haters got flushed out, but Hayley's headed to Rio now and has a great chance for a medal.

Reverting to her own P5 (=beautiful carbon)

For those that did read the article, it was elbow width rather than height that was given as the main factor in not achieving a satisfactory position.
Individual riders and different manufacturers have different preferences for reach and stack - I used to have custom geo steel frames long and low, my choice of carbon frames is restricted. Haven't seen a Willier for a while, pretty certain it wasn't restricted to custom bars.
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Re: Another Rider Ditches "Beautiful Carbon" Frame to Get Better Positioned [dontswimdontrun] [ In reply to ]
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dontswimdontrun wrote:
Individual riders and different manufacturers have different preferences for reach and stack - I used to have custom geo steel frames long and low, my choice of carbon frames is restricted. Haven't seen a Willier for a while, pretty certain it wasn't restricted to custom bars.

"Beautiful carbon" is my term for choosing the look of the bike frame over choosing it for positioning. My apologies -- it is a bit of an "in" joke among the group of fitters I work with.

Too many times we see customers choosing bikes for their beautiful carbon. Often, this carbon happens to be the integrated stem that makes fitting so difficult. Or whatever's hopelessly connected to it that's preventing a good fit.

There's nothing about beautiful carbon that is inherently bad, of course.

AndyF
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