The empty brain Your brain does not process information, retrieve knowledge or store memories. In short: your brain is not a computer
Yes and no. He objects to use of the word "stored" to describe how memories are present in the brain. He does not claim that memories are not in the brain.
Well above is the title of the article. There are also several other comments in the article alluding to the idea that the brain does not store information. In essence it seems the author is alluding to the idea that the brain is a bus bar, conduit to move information not process, store or manipulate it.
I could be wrong.
Exactly. That is what I've been saying and what the author has said.
As above I don't think that is what the author and certainly not Guru is saying at all.
The scientific research on the subject shows that the brain picks a few features of an objects and remembers them. As the author's experiment shows, these features are sufficient to allow recognition when an object is seen again, however they are insufficient to form an image.
A picture is nothing more then high definition of a few features. The brain typically filters out information that is extraneous. Yes you remember driving to work today but you don't remember the license plate numbers or every car you saw desite the fact that you more then likely saw the liscense plate of every car in front of you.
However if you purposely looked at the license plate you would remember the "Details" of the numbers. If you got out and studied it further you would notice tints of colors, scratches etc...details of details and so on. It's merely a mater of necessity, not a mater of ability. It's like taking a JPG and storing it and running thru a compression file. The unnecessary data is discarded. You can even store it at a lower and lower resolution and compress it. At some point it becomes no longer recognizable as the original picture.
Do you have an image of the house across the street in your head? Try to visualize it. What details do you see?
I have a picture of the house across the street in my head...Seems to me this is all the evidence we need. Can I tell you if there is a scratch off the paint on the third board up from the bottom on the left hand corner of the house? No, I have no bothered to study the house that closely. Is there specific information about the house I can not recall, yes. Is my recollection perfect, no. None of this says we "Don't have an image" it says we don't store perfect images with infinite resolution with perfect recall.
Take a picture of the house across the street and store it on your HD. If that picture is no high enough resolution you won't be able to read the address on the door. Leave in on the HD for a couple years and there might be portions of the HD that goes bad and when you recall that picture you might have something in the picture that was not their originally. Compress that picture because it's old and you need more HD space and you lose even more detail...and so on.
No one would argue that any of this says "We don't store images on HD's"
I read (and referenced) a wiki article on the subject of visual memory and it does not seem to suggest that the brain stores images.
Can you explain how storing information that is used to create a picture is not storing an image? If I have a picture that I store on a HD and I recall one bit of that picture it's simply a "0" or a "1". This is not a picture, it is a "Detail of a picture". How is this any different then recalling "A dollar bill has a 1 in the corner of it"? A computer simply recalls the one's and zero's and processes them.
~Matt
Yes and no. He objects to use of the word "stored" to describe how memories are present in the brain. He does not claim that memories are not in the brain.
Well above is the title of the article. There are also several other comments in the article alluding to the idea that the brain does not store information. In essence it seems the author is alluding to the idea that the brain is a bus bar, conduit to move information not process, store or manipulate it.
I could be wrong.
Exactly. That is what I've been saying and what the author has said.
As above I don't think that is what the author and certainly not Guru is saying at all.
The scientific research on the subject shows that the brain picks a few features of an objects and remembers them. As the author's experiment shows, these features are sufficient to allow recognition when an object is seen again, however they are insufficient to form an image.
A picture is nothing more then high definition of a few features. The brain typically filters out information that is extraneous. Yes you remember driving to work today but you don't remember the license plate numbers or every car you saw desite the fact that you more then likely saw the liscense plate of every car in front of you.
However if you purposely looked at the license plate you would remember the "Details" of the numbers. If you got out and studied it further you would notice tints of colors, scratches etc...details of details and so on. It's merely a mater of necessity, not a mater of ability. It's like taking a JPG and storing it and running thru a compression file. The unnecessary data is discarded. You can even store it at a lower and lower resolution and compress it. At some point it becomes no longer recognizable as the original picture.
Do you have an image of the house across the street in your head? Try to visualize it. What details do you see?
I have a picture of the house across the street in my head...Seems to me this is all the evidence we need. Can I tell you if there is a scratch off the paint on the third board up from the bottom on the left hand corner of the house? No, I have no bothered to study the house that closely. Is there specific information about the house I can not recall, yes. Is my recollection perfect, no. None of this says we "Don't have an image" it says we don't store perfect images with infinite resolution with perfect recall.
Take a picture of the house across the street and store it on your HD. If that picture is no high enough resolution you won't be able to read the address on the door. Leave in on the HD for a couple years and there might be portions of the HD that goes bad and when you recall that picture you might have something in the picture that was not their originally. Compress that picture because it's old and you need more HD space and you lose even more detail...and so on.
No one would argue that any of this says "We don't store images on HD's"
I read (and referenced) a wiki article on the subject of visual memory and it does not seem to suggest that the brain stores images.
Can you explain how storing information that is used to create a picture is not storing an image? If I have a picture that I store on a HD and I recall one bit of that picture it's simply a "0" or a "1". This is not a picture, it is a "Detail of a picture". How is this any different then recalling "A dollar bill has a 1 in the corner of it"? A computer simply recalls the one's and zero's and processes them.
~Matt