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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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exxxviii wrote:
Ai_1 wrote:
In that case I don't understand the purpose of the list including any wheels at all...I was simply pointing out that if wheels selection is your goal, your approach seems rather illogical.

Adding the top tier product for each brand helps set context of how each company positions itself in the market. For example, someone who is looking at wheels from a cost-is-no-object point of view might quickly focus on just wheels from Enve, Reynolds,
Bontrager, Easton, Xentis, and Zipp. And, it is likely that they would not have found all those names easily.

Similarly, someone looking solely on a budget might approach it from the other end, but then validate against some of the other lower tier products from more expensive wheel sellers.
I'm afraid that makes no sense to me. Knowing the cost of the top tier product does not tell you anything useful about the other products in their range. Not without a lot of assumptions and suspect inferences. Nevermind.....
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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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It's not an argument.

It's just you saying that you like all-carbon rims because of the ability to shape them differently...which confers the performance advantage of
...them being shaped differently :-/

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [Ai_1] [ In reply to ]
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Ai_1 wrote:
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....By this argument, why don't we just abandon carbon bikes and go back to aluminum?
But for bikes carbon has far more advantages and far fewer disadvantages. Thus my bikes are carbon and my braking tracks are aluminium. Incidentally my background is mechanical engineering and aerodynamics so maybe I'm inclined more than most to feel very strongly that form should follow function and that material choice should be on merit not a category or trend based decision. I want to buy the best engineering, not the best marketing. Of course it can be hard to tell which is which sometimes - that is after all one of the primary purposes of marketing ;)

Interesting how the folks with mechanical engineering backgrounds and aero experience tend to come to the same conclusions, huh? :-)

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [Ai_1] [ In reply to ]
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It's funny. My background is in Mechanical Engineering, specifically of race cars. And I have gone the opposite route. My race bike is aluminum and my wheels are carbon. If you want to debate the validity of material choices I am all for it. But do not assume your use cases are the same as everyone else's.

I will add to the list of engineering and materials choices that I wanted to support my friends/LBS. I could have gone other places and made different decisions, but I weighted my friendships and supporting local institutions along with my other considerations.
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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Electrical engineer here. Maybe we can debate Di2 vs eTap haha

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Electrical engineer here. Maybe we can debate Di2 vs eTap haha

No debate: Rotor hydraulic :-P

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I'm still a dissenting voice.

BTW don't you ride a steel frame? Not a carbon one like the other engineer suggests?
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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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haha... this thread is loaded engineers. I am an EE.
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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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There is a lot of engineers on Slowtwitch

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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pyrahna wrote:
.... If you want to debate the validity of material choices I am all for it. But do not assume your use cases are the same as everyone else's...
Don't worry, I'm not. I did say in the earlier post that the braking was important for my purposes and that wheel weight differences would not be relevant for my uses. I was not trying to suggest these criteria were universal.
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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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pyrahna wrote:
Yeah, I'm still a dissenting voice.

BTW don't you ride a steel frame? Not a carbon one like the other engineer suggests?

I'm "frame material agnostic", and I have bikes with carbon, aluminum, and steel frames...whichever is appropriate for the application and constraints. My TT bike is carbon.

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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No Ti? I am an engineer by education and a project manager by misfortune.

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [MTBSully] [ In reply to ]
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MTBSully wrote:
No Ti? I am an engineer by education and a project manager by misfortune.

One those constraints I mentioned above is cost ;-)

My next TT bike might be Ti though...it turns out one can source Ti aero strut tubing of various sizes :-)

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [MTBSully] [ In reply to ]
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MTBSully wrote:
These won't explode sending shards of carbon up my b-hole will they?



That was a computrainer flywheel. And it was my leg not my butt.


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Once, I was fast. But I got over it.
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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [hblake] [ In reply to ]
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Should have been pink, sorry

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Re: Carbon Clincher Products & Pricing [rijndael] [ In reply to ]
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rijndael wrote:
I don't know about the Alto 86mm, their web site seems to be malfunctioning, but their 56mm had the exact same dimensions as an open mold Hongfu HF-R56. If the 86mm is also an open mold rim, $2K is a ridiculous price tag, IMO.

Hopefully our website is fully functioning now! Haha. I'm new to the forum, but I'd love to clear up any questions you guys may have about our product line at Alto. Our rims are manufactured at Topkey in Taichung, where we did many of the composite frames at Cannondale. They're one of the top facilities in the world, and we simply couldn't replicate the quality when trying to do it ourselves in Florida. If you have any particular questions about the laminate structure, resin, etc, please do not hesitate to ask!

Thank you!
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