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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [softrun] [ In reply to ]
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racin_rusty wrote:
Cerveloguy is right, you need to quit shooting this horse. You're wasting bullets, we all get it - the it's a despot regime. The Casto's are assholes. One thing though, I know more about Cuba and how crappy people have it there because us Canucks have had some boots on the ground. That's not something you can say.


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And another vote. It was funny seeing windy's intended "internet gotcha ambush" of Cerveloguy blow up in his face, and even funnier seeing him hiding from responding to Cerveloguy for so long, but now it's just coming off as annoying and petty.

Although, if there's one positive to have come out of this thread (funny memes aside) it's a genuine admiration for windy's ability to live his life without using oil from any middle eastern regimes with dodgy human rights records, or own any electronic goods made in China, or any clothes made under questionable labour conditions.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
'Can you recommend some concentration camps near Havana to visit? "

If windywave actually did a google using the words "Cuba" and "concentration camps" there are actually only two times in Cuban history when they actually existed. The first was in 1897 when the Spanish imprisoned Cuban independence rebels and the second time was from 1965 - 68 when Castro had "re-education" camps for dissidents, gays, etc. I'm not denying there are political dissidents in Cuban prisons today and Cuba doesn't have a great human rights record but many things have changed in more recent years. For example Cuba is now quite tolerant of gays, at least by Latin America standards. But to call today's Cuban prisons "concentration camps" is nonsense just as using the term to describe US prisons would be. There is actually a much higher incarceration rate in the USA than Cuba, albeit not for criticizing the government.

Windy needs educate himself and read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...nternment_camps#Cuba

I'm well aware of when the UMAPS were utilized but it's the same regime. I make a distinction between the concentration camps and the present political prisoners (you could go back to look, but I don't expect you to do so).... I did plenty of research (for example I didn't know gays were put in concentration camps). He avoided answering initially and I still don't know why (well I do it destroys his narrative but details)
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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WelshinPhilly wrote:
softrun wrote:
racin_rusty wrote:
Cerveloguy is right, you need to quit shooting this horse. You're wasting bullets, we all get it - the it's a despot regime. The Casto's are assholes. One thing though, I know more about Cuba and how crappy people have it there because us Canucks have had some boots on the ground. That's not something you can say.


+1

And another vote. It was funny seeing windy's intended "internet gotcha ambush" of Cerveloguy blow up in his face, and even funnier seeing him hiding from responding to Cerveloguy for so long, but now it's just coming off as annoying and petty.

Although, if there's one positive to have come out of this thread (funny memes aside) it's a genuine admiration for windy's ability to live his life without using oil from any middle eastern regimes with dodgy human rights records, or own any electronic goods made in China, or any clothes made under questionable labour conditions.

I wasn't hiding asshole someone in my family got cancer and I had to deal with that instead of dick around on here.

You fail to see the distinction I'm making with his hypocrisy. I don't claim to be a super progressive leftist and vacation in areas that are the antithesis of my loudly proclaimed beliefs and claim how wonderful it is. I have no real qualms if people go there for vacation as long as they're being realistic and acknowledge they are financing a prison state instead of making it out to be the Bahamas. If he dropped the Pollyanna bullshit problem solved if not I'll keep pointing out how "wonderful" Cuba really is.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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"and claim how wonderful it is. I have no real qualms if people go there for vacation as long as they're being realistic"

I have never claimed Cuba is "wonderful". What's wonderful about Cuba is the people, culture, music, architecture, scuba diving, low crime rate, etc, etc. That's why I've been going there for 19 yrs. But I've readily admitted many times that its a dictatorship and has plenty of human rights abuses.

At the same time, what I have tried to convey based upon my observations when in Cuba is that it is not as bad as many Americans have been lead to believe by right wing media and there are still many good things about Cuba - their education system and healthcare are among the best in Latin America and the third world. They are one of the most ecologically friendly countries in the world. They have a modern bio-medical industry that they have developed themselves despite the embargo. There are other countries with even worse human rights abuses such as China, Saudi Arabia, etc, etc. that the USA readily does business with and doesn't have a long standing embargo against. I've rightfully called this hypocritical and I'm sure most people agree with me that its time to drop the embargo. In fact its already happening and I suspect it will be complete within five years. Then you can actually go and see Cuba for yourself rather than ranting and raving over a place you've never been to.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry you had to deal with that. I just thought I'd seen you "dicking around" in other threads during your conspicuous absence from this one, that's all.

Still doesn't change the fact though, as others have also pointed out, that your anti-Cuba (or is it anti-Cerveloguy?) crusade has become tiresome. But, it does sound like you've found yourself a cause that you really feel is worthwhile. Carry on.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
When you attack the messenger the message is usually on target..

So you're sticking with hypothesis 1? Bad call.

Your message is on target if your target is your own ass.

You have a tiresome obsession, and no small amount of hypocrisy yourself, but you simply can't help yourself.

Cerveloguy has been consistent, clear and reasonable. You seem increasingly deranged. You see my observations about this as an attack. Many others here share my observations. Why do you suppose you are the subject of a widespread coordinated "attack"?

- Because we all hate freedom, and your singular stoic defense of it? Nope. That's really not it.
- Because your imperishable fixation has become laughable? Much closer, it seems to me and my co-conspirators from the anti-freedom league.

Carry on, some more. I'll check back in a few months for a chuckle. If Cerveloguy is content to lead you along by the nose like a dumb animal for that long we'll find you in exactly the same place. You stuck the "kick me" sign to your own backside, and seem to want to parade around with it......forever. Good for you, freedom fighter!
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [Bone Idol] [ In reply to ]
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Bone Idol wrote:
windywave wrote:

When you attack the messenger the message is usually on target..


So you're sticking with hypothesis 1? Bad call.

Your message is on target if your target is your own ass.

You have a tiresome obsession, and no small amount of hypocrisy yourself, but you simply can't help yourself.

Cerveloguy has been consistent, clear and reasonable. You seem increasingly deranged. You see my observations about this as an attack. Many others here share my observations. Why do you suppose you are the subject of a widespread coordinated "attack"?

- Because we all hate freedom, and your singular stoic defense of it? Nope. That's really not it.
- Because your imperishable fixation has become laughable? Much closer, it seems to me and my co-conspirators from the anti-freedom league.

Carry on, some more. I'll check back in a few months for a chuckle. If Cerveloguy is content to lead you along by the nose like a dumb animal for that long we'll find you in exactly the same place. You stuck the "kick me" sign to your own backside, and seem to want to parade around with it......forever. Good for you, freedom fighter!

Reasonable? This whole Cuba schtick has been going on for years. This all started when his main point about Cuba was that the US is hypocritical because its a country that prides itself on "freedom" yet won't allow its citizens to travel to Cuba. Imagine how obtuse you have to be to come to the conclusion that its the Americans that are lacking in "freedom" when you are discussing Cuba. Too bad there wasn't good scuba diving in East Berlin, I'd like to hear how the West Berliners lacked freedom.

You all are batshit crazy. People get on home made rafts to travel 90 miles for a chance at freedom and you're going on about freakin biodomes or something. Stop trying to be intellectuals with inane one-upmanship like you know all the little ins and outs of Cuba and have some common sense.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Cerveloguy - was that you getting out of this car? I was snorkling in the Bay of Pigs and this dude drove up with a bunch of Canucks.

You're definitely right about the beautiful mixed women and their, umm, friendliness.


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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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"Hey Cerveloguy - was that you getting out of this car? "

LOL! Not me, but Cuba had about two million visits from Canada last year. That's quite a lot when you consider its a country of only 35 million. Its actually the most visited Caribbean island by Canadians.

Yeah, some of the women are beautiful, but its a good thing I've got my wife there for protection.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I ran into and talked to a bunch of Canucks. And then there were the French Canucks - sacre bleu! Overall, the people were super friendly and very interested in the next US president. They can't wait for the big wave of Americans to get here but I'm not so sure if their infrastructure can handle it. Be careful what you wish for.

I also ran into Windywave smoking a Cohiba with his Che tshirt on. He's definitely different in person vs online.


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Its actually the most visited Caribbean island by Canadians.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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"They can't wait for the big wave of Americans to get here but I'm not so sure if their infrastructure can handle it. Be careful what you wish for. "

The infrastructure can't handle it once they open the flood gates. They will want the American money but want to maintain the Cuba society without the bulldozer influence which is a fine balance. The Cuba in the future will not be the same place I've known for the past twenty years. I'll always remember it as the way it was.

I also ran into Windywave smoking a Cohiba with his Che tshirt on. He's definitely different in person vs online.

LOL!! When he eventually gets down there and realizes its not as horrendous as he thinks, I'll gladly buy him a Cuba Libre.
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Reasonable? This whole Cuba schtick has been going on for years. This all started when his main point about Cuba was that the US is hypocritical because its a country that prides itself on "freedom" yet won't allow its citizens to travel to Cuba.

I haven't gazed at this trainwreck as intently as others, but didn't it all start with cervologuy's observation that Cuba is fascinating, but will change greatly with the commercialisation that will attend the huge influx of visitors soon to arrive from the US?

Windywave then went into a sustained bout of apoplexy questioning how anyone could be from the 99.5% of countries (now 100%) that don't embargo Cuba, and accusing cg of supporting fascism. To that, cg responded that there was considerable hypocrisy in that attitude and ww turned his outrage dial to 11+.

That's my recollection, but it doesn't go back for "years". Do you have a reference from the archives that will assist us to better hate on cg (and others, too, it seems)?
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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I also ran into Windywave smoking a Cohiba with his Che tshirt on. He's definitely different in person vs online.

If he's current with his meds, even ww will laugh at that. (Kidding, he won't.)
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [Bone Idol] [ In reply to ]
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The US Cuba policy was totally insane. Now it's less insane but we should have the same type of relationship with Cuba as we do Mexico, Canada and Jamaica. At least we're heading in that direction.

Thanks, Obama!

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Cerveloguy and Cuba [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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axlsix3 wrote:
I also ran into Windywave smoking a Cohiba with his Che tshirt on. He's definitely different in person vs online.

Now that was funny. Well played!

Long Chile was a silly place.
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