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Re: Death Toll Estimates [ATX TRIHEAD] [ In reply to ]
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This from the guardian. I wasn't in Blanco or Nagins their shoes and the magnitude with what they were dealing with was obviously overwhelming but I do think they bear an enormous amount of responsibilty in the exagerated numbers which the press was all too obliged to report.





Counting the dead: 10,000 or as few as 200 to 300?

Duncan Campbell in New Orleans
Thursday September 8, 2005
The Guardian


The mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, said that the total of dead left by Hurricane Katrina would "shock the nation". Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco said that people should prepare themselves for "thousands" of dead.

But yesterday the total of those officially listed as dead in the state stood at 71. How many lives has Katrina really claimed?

Mr Nagin has put his name to a figure of 10,000 as what he sees as the likeliest figure of dead.


A total of nearly 40,000 are officially unaccounted for but it is accepted that the vast majority of them have probably either survived the storm or had already left the city without necessarily informing anyone of exactly where they were going.

The figures of those still unaccounted for in this city of just under 500,000 people have been used to draw up a computerised estimate of the dead which is double that of Mr Nagin's. But some believe that the true figure will be far, far smaller, even just in the hundreds.

"The estimates are always far in excess of the reality," said one American reporter who specialises in covering disasters as the rescue operations were coordinated outside Harrahs casino in New Orleans. "I would not be surprised if we were looking at as few 200 to 300."

Such enormous discrepancies are not unusual. When the World Trade Centre was attacked in September 2001, initial estimates of the dead were between 30,000 and 40,000. These were gradually revised down to a figure of 10,000 which was accepted initially as a likely total. In fact, the final figure was fewer than 3,000.

"The honest answer is we just don't know," said a Fema official in Baton Rouge. "All we have to go on is what the official figures are as people are identified. Anything else is a guess."

A daily update is provided by Louisiana health officials on those that have been identified: it is accepted that the total will soon exceed 100.

Bodies are being recovered every day, a mixture of those found floating as the rescue teams get through to isolated areas and elderly people who have perished in their homes while awaiting rescue. But so far there has been no major discovery of masses of bodies in any of the areas that are gradually being opened up. This has led to suggestions that local politicians are over-estimating the numbers of dead.

The morgue now being used in San Gabriel, the small town near Baton Rouge that has been assigned the task of handling the dead, has a staff of 150 who have arrived to deal with what the local newspaper, The Advocate, estimates will be "thousands" of bodies.

One of the problems of such a toll is that some people who are missing, as with the Boxing day tsunami, will never be traced so a guesstimate is all that is possible.

Increasingly, however, there are calls being made for more accurate figures so that the true nature of the disaster can be grasped.
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Re: Death Toll Estimates [armytriguy] [ In reply to ]
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wouold you have been happier if it was 10,000?

or would you then find something else to criticize about them?


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Re: Death Toll Estimates [armytriguy] [ In reply to ]
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I don't understand blaming Blanco for this. He voiced fears when asked. Don't blame him because the media bounced on sensational numbers as if they were fact based accurate projections.

Like a fool, I fell for it. I should know better. They do this kind of thing every time.
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Re: Death Toll Estimates [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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I don't understand blaming Blanco for this. He voiced fears when asked. Don't blame him because the media bounced on sensational numbers as if they were fact based accurate projections.

Like a fool, I fell for it. I should know better. They do this kind of thing every time.


Sorry, being nitpicky here, but it was Nagin, the mayor of NO, not Blanco, the Gov of LA. And if if remember the quote correctly, it was "I don't know. Thousands, maybe ten thousand."

Now if I were a responsible member of the press, I don't think I'd report that sentence as an official estimate of the death toll. There's something about the phrase "I don't know" and the word "maybe" that would make me tend to beleive it wasn't based in fact. But that's just me. I probably wouldn't last long, because my stories wouldn't get the flashy headlines. "MAYOR REPORTS 10,000 DEAD"

The press badgers officials for a number after repeatedly beign told that it's just too early to know. Then when they finally get someone to step off the cliff and make a wild-assed guess, they print it as if it was fact in 2-inch headlines. Then they follow up later with criticism of the poor estimates provided by officials. All of the press-facing people should have stuck with their original response that it was just too early to know, but who can balme them after being asked over and over again after a few sleepless nights?
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Re: Death Toll Estimates [frogonawire] [ In reply to ]
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wouold you have been happier if it was 10,000?

or would you then find something else to criticize about them?


No as a matter of fact I am quite relieved and happy the numbers are nowhere near the 10000. If you took the time to read my comment I said I was not, and am not, in their shoes. It is very difficult dealing with what they are dealing with. I don't know if it was intentional, political or just ignorance they made their comments. On the other hand it is irresponsible for them to cry wolf then try and blame the president for not responding in a timely manner. Its simply called accountability.
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Re: Death Toll Estimates [armytriguy] [ In reply to ]
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you're right, I didn't read all of your posts. OTH, when will the President be held accountable? and I'm not just referring to the hurricane. not that the democrats are any better, but c'mon


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