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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [Mike C] [ In reply to ]
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Sparticus, you should be more clear about your thoughts and feelings. You're leaving way too much margin for misinterpretation... ;-)

If I ever see you at a race -- stay away from me.

What happens if you're in trouble for some reason and the only guy there to help is Brian...will you turn him away?

This has been an interesting thread to say the least, from subject line to the individual posts. I've not read every single one of B286's posts (though I do remember the unforgettable 7-11 "troop band" thread some time ago) but have enough knowledge to know where he stands politically, etc. But to name call directly as this thread has done says what about him and what about those doing the name calling?

It's my understanding that Constitutional Amendment Numero Uno has something to do with, oh, I dunno, free speech? The ability to publicly express one's thoughts, beliefs, etc., no matter how bizarre or disagreeable they may be to your own personal leanings. So debate, argue, chastize, castigate...but to call someone a "worthless piece of crap"...wow.

Like I said, I've not read each and every post so I don't know if B286 called each one of you the same thing; if so, then touche and game on. If not....move on? Go for a run and lighten up just a hair?


I don't generally think that people here have a problem with the First Amendment as much as they like to label people. For all the abuse the left takes, I rarely see somebody on the left calling somebody on the right a fascist, or corporate tool, or neo-nazi, etc., although the right has no problem calling the left Communist or unpatriotic, etc. So I think in that sense it's one sided.

With respect to Brian, I think the problem is not just a matter of viewpoint. I for one, come to these boards to see if there is information or a different, well-thought-out viewpoint that I haven't considered. And I think for the most part you will find people who are willing to indulge this and respond thoughtfully. On the other hand, there are others who seem to only respond in talking points, by either distorting information or obviously excluding inconvenient information, or in the worst cases, just using completely impenetrable logic to argue in support of their points. I think it is at that point you reach a frustration level, especially since the forum is by nature interactive, that you want to lash out at what you consider somebody else's abject stupidity. And part of you is sitting there thinking, "is this person just ignorant/stupid, or does he know better and is just trying to get away with pushing a view because he's picked a side and can't back down?" Neither one is good.

You may have not read many of B286's posts, but I have. I'll give you a random assortment straight from memory from the last 6 months:
  • Challenged Democrats to put forth a plan for "saving" Social Security while denying that the President hadn't in fact put forth his own. Kept arrogantly denying despite the indisputable fact that there was no actual suggested plan.
  • Recently suggested that Wal-Mart was incredibly forward-looking by offering its New Orleans employees 3 days of pay and certain small subsidies, because it encouraged them to look for a job, evidently while homeless and living in a shelter. By that measure, offering no pay would be incredibly progressive.
  • Tried to argue that GWB's track record of failure showed strong evidence of a strong work ethic. I'm not saying that it shows evidence of a weak work ethic, but certainly not a strong one.
  • Tried to argue there were no "abstinence-only" programs being pushed by the Administration, despite clear evidence to the contrary.
  • In general denies knowledge of well-known events and in worst cases, tries to impeach your source despite third-party verification and his unwillingness to actually look.


I think you get the point. It's sort of a basic human instinct - to profile somebody based on a limited level of interaction. However, there are a lot of people here with a lot of posts on diverse subjects, so I don't think it's entirely unfair to get a sense for their worldview from these writings.

I think what you arrive at is that people's worldview tends to be pretty fixed, and I think that in our current political environment, people have real difficulty, especially on the edges, with even acknowledging facts that contradict their views. I want to say that there is a backlash in this country against enlightenment, but that might get me into trouble.

For my part, I read a lot, and I mean a lot. I just read Freakonomics, which was quite interesting, if brief. Check out the chapter on Roe v. Wade. Certain to stir up a lot of controversy.


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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [march66] [ In reply to ]
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Just wait till you meet Brian287.....

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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [wmh] [ In reply to ]
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I was surprised to see your post chiding liberals for lack of religous sensitivity. A few months ago you intiated a thread demeaning Muslims. To which religions does your sensitivity extend?

As usual, you're still totally missing the point of that whole original post. It didn't demean Islam or those who practice it. It demeaned the misogynist attitudes spawned by misguided followers of that religion. See....that's the problem with you lefties: Your paper-thin skins prevent you from ever getting past that red haze of anger which seems to have taken over all of your sensibilities.

T.
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [Sparticus] [ In reply to ]
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Here is something you will understand -- You Suck.....


Only if the money's right. Well, of course I do. I was in the Navy. "Any port in a storm", as we say :-)

Don't take this so seriously, guy. This is a forum for free and open discussion. Also, Brian's a friend of mine, and I've got his "six". And it's because he's a friend of mine that I do, regardless of how irritating he might be to some of the folks on this board.


Tony
Last edited by: big kahuna: Sep 10, 05 13:27
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [Sparticus] [ In reply to ]
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I do not know Brian -- but I do know Big Kahuna Tony. I trained with him. Ate pizza with him after a training and after a race. I once called him a friend. Time changes people, changed me, changed him. No need for details - but if he sees me at a race - I would prefer if he just stayed away from me. More than any comments he has ever made on slowtwitch, things happened - I do not like him.

Well, I can't say that I remember sitting down to dine with anybody with an attitude like yours. And the only guy I know who calls himself Sparticus is a dude named Chris Larson, but I don't think that you're him, as I just saw him last night at the Pearl Harbor pool and he didn't try to jump bad on me. Refresh my memory, please, about who you really are.

The paper-thin skin thing is showing through, though, Sparty. If you read the post about that editorial cartoon, you'd have seen that the explication was my attempt at highlighting the knee-jerk response to any sort of idea that comes from the right. You know, stuff like characterizing the so-called red states as "Jesusland" and the like. A gross oversimplification of what's going on in the world today, but one which a vast number of lefties can't seem to stop themselves from engaging in at the slightest opportunity.

Heh, heh....I'll betcha my wife is far more right wing than you are, though. She thinks Pat Buchanan is a bed-wetting communist ;-)

Tony
Last edited by: big kahuna: Sep 10, 05 13:22
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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You justified your thread, "It demeaned the misogynist attitudes spawned by misguided followers of that religion."

Could not a similar rationalization be applied to the cartoon you found objectionable? ;-(

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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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And asking a question makes me thin skinned?

I didn't say I was upset or offended, or even imply that.

Does your generalization apply to everyone that points out you're a hypocrite, or just liberals?

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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [wmh] [ In reply to ]
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You're right. I've read them and I fell into just the same sort of hole that I'm accusing others of digging themselves into. The intent of my discussion on the cartoon that Sparty and I are currently mixing it up about was to not criticize Sparty's ideas (and worthy ones they are) but to show that there's an oversimplification of the debate on the three issues that the editorial plays up. I also keep forgetting that that's the whole point of an editorial cartoon. To be simple and to tell the story in 10 seconds or less. I guess that that's also a comment on the general reader's attention span, sadly.

My apologies.



Tony
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [wmh] [ In reply to ]
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Does your generalization apply to everyone that points out you're a hypocrite, or just liberals?



Duh. Liberals, of course. I don't hang out with anybody that doesn't hold the same views as me ;-)

T.


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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [trio_jeepy] [ In reply to ]
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I have sat on the sidelines reading these threads and I can sit no longer without responding. It is readily apparent that you are the most sanctimonious snob on the forum when it comes to divergent opinions that may have a conservative bent. When one takes a hardline that may be absolutely contrary to yours, you resort to vicious ad hominem attacks and try to put a good face on it by asserting that the others opinion is illogical or simply "abject stupidity." That is not reasonable dialogue. You are quick to call people idiots if they say something you don't agree with or it goes against your political leaning. This is the same intolerance that the left accuses the right of perpetuating, and you sir represent the epitome of narrow-mindedness and elitism. And the irony is the way you conduct yourself on this forum in all your small minded assaults neither renders you elite nor bright.

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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [Vulcan] [ In reply to ]
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I could sometimes be accused of the same thing, unfortunately. I think the emotions surrounding my friend Brian, and the seemingly growing chasm between the left and the right (on this board, especially) is leaving less and less room to find any sort of common ground.

But I'll say this: I consider Brian a friend. I don't like personal attacks against someone for expressing their views, regardless of which side of the aisle that person happens to be on. I try not to do it myself, though not always successfully (and I immediately apologize if my error is pointed out to me) and not always very elegantly, either.

T.
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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but I do know Big Kahuna Tony. I trained with him. Ate pizza with him after a training and after a race.
Everybody has eaten pizza with a guy named Tony.
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [Monk] [ In reply to ]
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You're a sicko, Monk. But that's probably because you're a lawyer, too (hee-hee). Hey....the stuff you shipped me works great. It's lighter than the old '98 Dura Ace gruppo I had on the old bike, so that's a net gain for me when I have to shag my ass back up Sugarloaf and the Buckhill climbs this year.

T.
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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T--you know they changed the course, right? Check the website.
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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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A lot have people seem to have internet personalities that are totally different from what they are in real life. I'm sort of like that myself in as much normally not ever discussing religion/politics in my real world but get drawn into it at times on the Lavender Room.

Dude, we might be brothers. Are you tall and incredibly handsome too?

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Re: Brian286 is a worthless piece of crap [Monk] [ In reply to ]
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Oh yeah, I think Fred cut the Buckhill climbs out. But, now we have to do the Wall twice. And there's still Sugarloaf. My only concession is that I'll go out there with a 53/39 up front and a 12-23 (instead of a 12-25, like last year) on the back.

Now, let's get back to calling Brian names. It's much more fun ;-)

T.
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