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Krugman's take on Katrina
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I think Krugman has a good concise explantion of why people are disappointed with the government response. Most interesting is the insight about FEMA. Reprinted below without permission. Now I'll just sit back and wait for Art to come forward with some sort of Kool-Aid comment:

September 2, 2005 A Can't-Do Government By PAUL KRUGMAN

Before 9/11 the Federal Emergency Management Agency listed the three most likely catastrophic disasters facing America: a terrorist attack on New York, a major earthquake in San Francisco and a hurricane strike on New Orleans. "The New Orleans hurricane scenario," The Houston Chronicle wrote in December 2001, "may be the deadliest of all." It described a potential catastrophe very much like the one now happening.

So why were New Orleans and the nation so unprepared? After 9/11, hard questions were deferred in the name of national unity, then buried under a thick coat of whitewash. This time, we need accountability.

First question: Why have aid and security taken so long to arrive? Katrina hit five days ago - and it was already clear by last Friday that Katrina could do immense damage along the Gulf Coast. Yet the response you'd expect from an advanced country never happened. Thousands of Americans are dead or dying, not because they refused to evacuate, but because they were too poor or too sick to get out without help - and help wasn't provided. Many have yet to receive any help at all.

There will and should be many questions about the response of state and local governments; in particular, couldn't they have done more to help the poor and sick escape? But the evidence points, above all, to a stunning lack of both preparation and urgency in the federal government's response.

Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into action. "On Wednesday," said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., "reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics!"

Maybe administration officials believed that the local National Guard could keep order and deliver relief. But many members of the National Guard and much of its equipment - including high-water vehicles - are in Iraq. "The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," a Louisiana Guard officer told reporters several weeks ago.

Second question: Why wasn't more preventive action taken? After 2003 the Army Corps of Engineers sharply slowed its flood-control work, including work on sinking levees. "The corps," an Editor and Publisher article says, citing a series of articles in The Times-Picayune in New Orleans, "never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security - coming at the same time as federal tax cuts - was the reason for the strain."

In 2002 the corps' chief resigned, reportedly under threat of being fired, after he criticized the administration's proposed cuts in the corps' budget, including flood-control spending.

Third question: Did the Bush administration destroy FEMA's effectiveness? The administration has, by all accounts, treated the emergency management agency like an unwanted stepchild, leading to a mass exodus of experienced professionals.

Last year James Lee Witt, who won bipartisan praise for his leadership of the agency during the Clinton years, said at a Congressional hearing: "I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded. I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared."

I don't think this is a simple tale of incompetence. The reason the military wasn't rushed in to help along the Gulf Coast is, I believe, the same reason nothing was done to stop looting after the fall of Baghdad. Flood control was neglected for the same reason our troops in Iraq didn't get adequate armor.

At a fundamental level, I'd argue, our current leaders just aren't serious about some of the essential functions of government. They like waging war, but they don't like providing security, rescuing those in need or spending on preventive measures. And they never, ever ask for shared sacrifice.

Yesterday Mr. Bush made an utterly fantastic claim: that nobody expected the breach of the levees. In fact, there had been repeated warnings about exactly that risk.

So America, once famous for its can-do attitude, now has a can't-do government that makes excuses instead of doing its job. And while it makes those excuses, Americans are dying.

E-mail: krugman@nytimes.com


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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [dire wolf] [ In reply to ]
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People sit and point their finger at the Federal Government waiting for a response.

What happened to local administration and government officials? Where were the police? Where was the governor?

The federal government got blamed for something that local officials should have planned and provided for....

Don't take me wrong. Federal assistance is certainly needed in this matter but I can't remember seeing any local firemen, very little police presence or control. Not one friggin person from the local police precincts was ever on tv or seen on the street or at the shelters.

That New Orleans mayor is quick to shoot off his mouth and point the finger at Bush but where the fudge was his planning...his police force...his firemen or his blueprint for planning this mess.

The federal government is just that...federal....Where were state and local officials?

90% of the population left New Orleans. Much of the remaining 10% were in the superdome or convention center. How hard is it to get local police and firemen to those locations with medical help and police control?
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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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I agree that the state should be blamed. The locals have a good excuse -- they got swamped too. Their police departments and resources are under water. When a disaster is this big geographically, you need fresh resources to come from the outside. That pretty much means the Nat'l Guard and the Feds. In some states, you might have substantial local-level resources you can borrow from another big city, but Louisiana only has 1 big city and it looks a lot like Atlantis right now.

I should add that for decades, states have usually had the full national guard at their disposal (b/f Iraq). And who would have expected FEMA to be gutted after it was established?


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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [dire wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Wait a minute....

If we're going to the top to blame the President let's work our way up the chain of command first. Sure you need assistance from the outside but there doesn't appear that there were any crews in place when people started going to the dome in the first place. This is local planning at the mayoral level. Not even the state or federal level.

Policemen quitting on the spot...where's the discipline?

No fire crews...no ambulance crews...

The governor is in charge of the national guard. What the hell was she doing with them? Some of them were sent to Iraq..not all of them.
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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.cnn.com/....response/index.html

Watch the video of Brown (FEMA director) with Soledad O'brien... You'll wonder why he still has a job
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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not talking about FEMA in all of this. It's almost as if FEMA came into the situation with no local handoff or update of the situation.

There is a hierarchy and coordination on a stepped level. From parish to city to region to state to federal...It's as if the federals stepped in and had to start from scratch.
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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [dire wolf] [ In reply to ]
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...for a man with a doctorate, Krugman can be remarkably stupid. He knows nothing about engineering, disaster preparedness, casualty collection, treatment and clearing, law enforcement, the law itself, the federal system of goverment, or pretty much anything other than to scream from his ivory tower that IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!

The levee system in place, through most of the past 4 or 5 administrations (including Clinton's and Bush I) is engineered to withstand the effect of a Cat 3 hurricane. If you want to try to engineer a levee that can withstand the thousand-fold energy expenditure found in a Cat 5, you better had a hell of lot more resources (in money, manpower, materials etc.) than anybody, including the state of Louisiana, the parish, and the city of New Orleans was prepared to spend.

Better to talk about the utter foolishness of continuing to believe that a city that lies BELOW SEA LEVEL could blithely continue on as if this would never happen. Blame starts with the mayor of that city and goes on from there.

I've spent a good deal of time down there (one of my former military commands, MARFORRES, has its headquarters there, and I'd have to go there for quarterly conferences), and I can tell you without a doubt that a more incompetent, and more corrupt, city governance system can't be found anywhere else in the U.S. (well....Detroit is close, but my hometown doesn't have to worry about hurricanes, and we handled the '03 blackout pretty decently).

But hey.....let's all just concede the obvious and admit that IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!

T.
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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.cnn.com/....response/index.html

Watch the video of Brown (FEMA director) with Soledad O'brien... You'll wonder why he still has a job


Revolting incompetence.

Brown was a political hire with no crisis management experience, and neither did the previous director, Allbaugh. Strange, given that their job would presumably entail first-responder management to things like terrorist attacks. I suspect there will be a lot of inquiries and hearings into this afterwards, given the broad-based anger at the lack of timely response. His head will probably be put on the platter, just so higher guys like Chertoff don't. It's amazing that Brown has the temerity to say that things are getting done, but at the same time saying that he's learning about facts on the ground from the media. If you really want to get upset, see Anderson Cooper's piece with Mary Landrieu, where he gets obviously angry at her for thanking other politicians while as he puts it, "corpses are seen being eaten by rats."

I mean, it's not as if FEMA's whole raison d'etre isn't to deal with things like this. Jesus Christ, it's in their goddamned name. If not something like this, what are they supposed to be doing? - raising cattle? taking census rolls? FEMA clearly had their heads up their asses, especially given that they had already had this scenario high on their list of potential problems. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. They are supposed to plan out preset responses to particular contingencies and have the resources to do it. Most of the government does this - look at the Pentagon - all they do is wargame potential scenarios. For Christ's sake, they've even wargamed climate change scenarios, leaving the West Wing the only segment of the Federal government which doesn't believe in it.

Think about this scenario - say it wasn't a hurricane. Say it was a terrorist attack which opened up the levees, and instead of 100,000+ people in town, it's 500,000+. Everything else would pretty much be the same, and FEMA's response would've been even worse, given the lack of warning and the greater casualties. Would that be acceptable? For a department which is supposed to be part of DHS planning, that's pretty piss-poor.

I think what's interesting here is that I'm beginning to see the inklings of a right-wing response. Given that you even have conservatives angry about the late response but at the same time considering whether to blame the president, I think Brian's angle is probably the one being considered, blaming the mayor and governor, rather than federal officials who sat around doing press conferences while people died. Brian certainly isn't original enough to come up with it on his own, so I'm sure some talking points memo is out suggesting that the failure was solely at the local level and not at federal. Given that the President didn't end his vacation until two days into it, and was last seen joking with Trent Lott about his house in Pascagoula, I don't know if it's going to fly. Even conservatives are suggesting his three speeches have been long on statistics, but short on showing true understanding of the scope of the disaster. But that doesn't mean they won't get it out there.


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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I've been wathing wall-to-wall coverage in Sydney and monitoring the net and I agree that there is incompetence on all levels - from local govt to state and federal govts. Again I agree that New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. However, the response time from the feds - FEMA and DHS especially - was woeful. Unfortunately, when it comes to the federal government - the buck stops with the President. The federal govt seemed waiting to see how the local boys would handle it and surely they must have known that a levee breach would be beyond the scope of Louisiana's disaster management program.

I listened to Chertoff saying the delay was due to inadequate communcation and "rumors" about the water levels and the suplies the city had to sustain survivors. Shit, all he had to do was turn on the television!

It looks like a fuck up all the way through. It started with a lack of preparation and then a total abscence of local leadership. Let's not forget those able to leave the city before the hurricane who didn't. Now I see the mayor - after letting rip on radio - pushing people from the Hyatt to the front of the queue at the Superdome. Unbelievable.

It is just ridiculous to blame Bush for cuts to the Army Corps of Engineers flood programs. Congress voted on increased money for Iraq and it had to be taken from somewhere. It was an inadequate solution, anyway. That's not to say that I agree with the war, but that's a whole different discusssion and it simply is not relevant here. There were more than enough resources Stateside, the bureauocracy got in the way again.

However, as always, what has been encouraging is the entrenched willingness of ordinary American people to help eachother out. Financially, volunteering, etc - the generousity is amazing.
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Re: Krugman's take on Katrina [Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Always interesting to get the foreign view of these things.

I think what you're seeing is how the American dialogue about politics has devolved whereby the bar for competence and accountability has been lowered repeatedly to ground levels. From failures of intelligence, to failures of Iraq post-war planning and troop estimates, to WMD estimate failures, to the failure of Federal officials to respond in remotely timely fashion with requisite resources, I think you're seeing discourse that reflects the inability of some to hold the government to some basic level of competence and accountability.

When you have a Federal agency say they failed to anticipate a potential levee failures, you have to ask, huh? A 12 year old could walk by a levee and contemplate the basic question of "what would happen if they failed?" It's not rocket science. And to have that same federal agency admit that mainstream media knows more about what is happening on the ground than them is a shocking admission of failure and disorganization. I wonder how something like this would've affected a coalition-type government, such as those in Europe.

Fortunately, there appears to now be someone who has taken charge and is making things happen. But the question still arises - why did this take 3 days to happen? And have we conditioned ourselves to not ask the basic critical questions so as to make this guy extraordinary? Someone like him should have been directing efforts days ago. But some would have you believe that we should be thankful for any Federal aid, which is ludicrous. To suggest that New Orleans would have the resources or Louisiana for that matter, to handle a disaster of this magnitude is ridiculous. Something of this size is precisely why FEMA even exists. If a dirty bomb were to explode in Midtown Manhattan, to argue that local officials should be able to handle it is borderline insanity, or simple idiocy.

Their bumbling in the face of a natural disaster calls into question their level of preparation for an unnatural disaster. But apparently we're not allowed to ask those sorts of questions.


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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin
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