but my question, i guess would be, how do catholics know they(the apostles) got it right?
How do we know the Apostles got it right? We believe it. It's (OBVIOUSLY) fundamental to the Catholic Faith. There have been thousands of volumes written as to why we believe it, and why it makes sense to believe it, and so on. If the Apostles got it wrong, Catholicism is meaningless, as is the rest of Christianity.
man wrote down the teachings/revelations. while they were divinely inspired, man is also fallible.
Man is certainly fallible. My belief is that the men who wrote the Bible were protected from error in that writing by an act of God. That's the whole point of what we say when we talk about the divine inspiration of the Bible. We don't mean that they were really smart/wise/holy/whatever, and Scripture is their best human attempt at explaining God. We mean that God used them to write down His Word. Now, I can deal with the fact that you might not believe that, but it really should not be that hard to acknowledge that I do.
has there been critical inspection as to whether the bible/tradition is the objective truth or the objective truth one step removed?
I'm not sure if I understand the question. The Bible is probably the most critically and rigorously inspected book in all of history, as far as that goes. But how would one critically "inspect" it to see if it's objective truth? I mean, do you have a benchmark of objective truth you think it should be compared to?
my larger point is that i can see an argument where modernizing(for lack of better word) church policy/teachings wouldn't run afoul of the objective truth of catholicism.
I'm really not trying to be rude, but how is it you feel qualified to say that the Church's teachings could be modernized without violating objective truth when you probably don't believe that objective truth can be known, and you certainly don't know what the Church teaches, and why?
The problem, as I see it, is that a lot of people don't accept the Church's belief that it has a divine mandate to safeguard what's been revealed to it as God's truth, and they don't think the Church should accept it, either.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
How do we know the Apostles got it right? We believe it. It's (OBVIOUSLY) fundamental to the Catholic Faith. There have been thousands of volumes written as to why we believe it, and why it makes sense to believe it, and so on. If the Apostles got it wrong, Catholicism is meaningless, as is the rest of Christianity.
man wrote down the teachings/revelations. while they were divinely inspired, man is also fallible.
Man is certainly fallible. My belief is that the men who wrote the Bible were protected from error in that writing by an act of God. That's the whole point of what we say when we talk about the divine inspiration of the Bible. We don't mean that they were really smart/wise/holy/whatever, and Scripture is their best human attempt at explaining God. We mean that God used them to write down His Word. Now, I can deal with the fact that you might not believe that, but it really should not be that hard to acknowledge that I do.
has there been critical inspection as to whether the bible/tradition is the objective truth or the objective truth one step removed?
I'm not sure if I understand the question. The Bible is probably the most critically and rigorously inspected book in all of history, as far as that goes. But how would one critically "inspect" it to see if it's objective truth? I mean, do you have a benchmark of objective truth you think it should be compared to?
my larger point is that i can see an argument where modernizing(for lack of better word) church policy/teachings wouldn't run afoul of the objective truth of catholicism.
I'm really not trying to be rude, but how is it you feel qualified to say that the Church's teachings could be modernized without violating objective truth when you probably don't believe that objective truth can be known, and you certainly don't know what the Church teaches, and why?
The problem, as I see it, is that a lot of people don't accept the Church's belief that it has a divine mandate to safeguard what's been revealed to it as God's truth, and they don't think the Church should accept it, either.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."